Turn steal, river resteal?

[HEIFER]

Villian has 27 vpip 19 pfr and 3.15 post agg

He has tried tricky things before and I figure hes testing the waters with this turn raise, so with the ace on river i figure try the resteal. I am probably chip spewing but this is not my standard play, which would be fold turn to the raise without odds. So feel free to educate me.

Party Poker ($10/$20 limit). Hand converted by Check Raised hand converter

Preflop (5 players): Hero is SB with
1 fold.
CO 2 bets.
1 fold.
HERO 3 bets.
1 fold.
CO calls [7:1].

Flop (7 small bets in pot, 2 players):

HERO bets.
CO calls [9:1].

Turn (4.5 bets in pot, 2 players):

HERO bets.
CO 2 bets.
HERO calls [8.5:1].

River (8.5 bets in pot, 2 players):

HERO bets.
CO folds [9.5:1].

Summary:


<u>HERO has High card. [ ] and won (9.3bb)</u>

[ILOVEPOKER929]

Well I dont like the fact that I seen the results of this hand. But yes I think bet/folding that turn is usually the standard best play. But if you had some read, then I can understand your turn play. And I seriously think your river play is standard agagainst certain players. If I call that turn raise, I will be betting an Ace river against they type of player that can fold some pairs here.

[redbeard]

i'm not creative enough to come up with a play like this but i can see that it would definately work best against a player who is good and very aggressive. apparently this opponent was that.

[HEIFER]

Sorry for that ILOVEPOKER, had a brain fart.

[cartman]

Remember that when you bet the river it should almost always be for one of two purposes:

1) get called by a worse hand, or
2) make him fold a better hand

In this case there is almost no chance of either of these things happening. A good opponent might be capable of folding a pair here, but even the TAGs just can't bring themselves to do it most of the time. What very likely took place here is that he raised the turn with a hand worse than yours and then folded the river when you bet. If you felt like you had the best hand then checking and calling would have been better than betting.

[Xyven]

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Remember that when you bet the river it should almost always be for one of two purposes:

1) get called by a worse hand, or
2) make him fold a better hand

In this case there is almost no chance of either of these things happening. A good opponent might be capable of folding a pair here, but even the TAGs just can't bring themselves to do it most of the time. What very likely took place here is that he raised the turn with a hand worse than yours and then folded the river when you bet. If you felt like you had the best hand then checking and calling would have been better than betting.

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Low or mid pair plus flush draw will fold this river most of the time. Also I usually just fold to the turn raise, the pot's small and you don't have anything, let him take it.

[Nate tha\\\' Great]

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Remember that when you bet the river it should almost always be for one of two purposes:

1) get called by a worse hand, or
2) make him fold a better hand

In this case there is almost no chance of either of these things happening. A good opponent might be capable of folding a pair here, but even the TAGs just can't bring themselves to do it most of the time. What very likely took place here is that he raised the turn with a hand worse than yours and then folded the river when you bet. If you felt like you had the best hand then checking and calling would have been better than betting.

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Low or mid pair plus flush draw will fold this river most of the time. Also I usually just fold to the turn raise, the pot's small and you don't have anything, let him take it.

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What possible pair + flush draw could he have? Very likely only an Ax [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] pair, which is bad news for you.

[HEIFER]

Well that is a valid point Cartman, I was thinking to myself he raised turn on an adopted draw or air basically not any pair and with my thoughts like that i decided that if i call the raise then donk the river with no heart would give me my value bet. But then again looking at your reply I also can see the only hand that is going to call me is a pair or better since he wont call with KT, or lower which is the only range I can beat. So it appears that I cost myself a BB because he very likely may have bet river UI and since i decided I was going to invest 1 more BB in the pot, the best play would be to have just called turn and river bets and made the extra BB instead of letting him off the hook.