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Old 04-30-2006, 01:38 PM
freedom18 freedom18 is offline
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Default KQs to super draw

Hi, i was wondering if I played this hand well, I thought most plays were pretty correct, what do you think? Comments on all parts of the board pls
Limit: $0.25/$0.5
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Pre-flop: (9 players) pgshock18 is BB with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
UTG calls, UTG+1 folds, <font color="#cc0000">MP1 raises</font>, MP2 calls, 4 folds, <font color="#cc0000">pgshock18 3-bets</font>, UTG calls, MP1 calls, MP2 calls.

Flop: J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (8.4SB, 4 players)
<font color="#cc0000">pgshock18 bets</font>, UTG calls, MP1 folds, MP2 calls.

Turn: T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (5.7BB, 3 players)
<font color="#cc0000">pgshock18 bets</font>, UTG folds, MP2 calls.

River: 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (7.7BB, 2 players)
pgshock18 checks, MP2 checks.

Results:
Final pot: 7.7BB
<font color="#ffffff">pgshock18 shows Kd Qd </font>
<font color="#ffffff">MP2 shows Th 8h </font>
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Old 04-30-2006, 01:44 PM
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Default Re: KQs to super draw

Check/call the turn.
You have a lot of outs so getting raised on this turn would make me throw up. On top of that you haven't made a hand yet and while your draws may be enough to bet this turn for value no one is calling it with a worse hand then yours is at this moment.
On the turn you want to bet hands with fewer outs and check hands with many since you're forced to call a raise.

The bet on the flop is good.
Preflop- Depending on the day I may 3 bet with KQs but usually just a cold call for me.

Edited cause I just noticed: Don't post results. It may skew responses. Work on making the right plays and the outcomes will take care of themselves.
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Old 04-30-2006, 01:45 PM
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Default Re: KQs to super draw

call the raise preflop, rest of the hand is good
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Old 04-30-2006, 01:48 PM
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Default Re: KQs to super draw

I don't like the 3-bet preflop.
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Old 04-30-2006, 02:08 PM
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Default Re: KQs to super draw

i would call preflop
the flop looks good cuz u have a pot equity edge here
defineatly lead out on the turn with oesd, flush draw and 2 over cards
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Old 04-30-2006, 02:20 PM
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Default Re: KQs to super draw

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defineatly lead out on the turn with oesd, flush draw and 2 over cards

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This is the exact reason you don't lead the turn. With that many outs you have to call a raise. Yes, your equity on the turn is enough to bet if: A. you are 100% sure both will call, and B. You are sure neither will raise.
C/C the turn
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Old 04-30-2006, 02:33 PM
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Default Re: KQs to super draw

thanks, i never seem to hit these hands even when i get the super draw on the flop it never hits by the river lol i think its happened about 4x in 1200 hands and 0 hit thats why im scared of no limit i would go all in and still not get it 4x!
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Old 04-30-2006, 03:45 PM
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i think its happened about 4x in 1200

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LOL Then at some point you will hit like 600 of them in a row. It doesn't work that way but every time is an independant event. Don't think of it like that it's bad for your head.
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Old 04-30-2006, 03:58 PM
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Default Re: KQs to super draw

3 betting that is very yucky.

You have less equity than you think on the turn.
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Old 04-30-2006, 04:03 PM
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Default Re: KQs to super draw

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defineatly lead out on the turn with oesd, flush draw and 2 over cards

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This is the exact reason you don't lead the turn. With that many outs you have to call a raise. Yes, your equity on the turn is enough to bet if: A. you are 100% sure both will call, and B. You are sure neither will raise.
C/C the turn

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I disagree. I think a bet here will induce a fold often enough to show a profit. Because the villian called the flop bet doesnt mean he has a piece of the board. He could have over cards. Therea are 7 BB in the middle. I think we fold him here more than 1/6 and if he calls you still have outs including your overcards. You may even induce a better hand to fold such as AQ or AK. I like the OP line given the freflop action.
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