KK v tight-passive/passive, good river fold?

PunchyPlay · #1 04-29-2006, 12:18 AM

Villain is 18/4.5/1.5, what do you guys think of this play? On the turn I figure the only hand I am getting any value out of whatsoever was the Ac, all the rest I am WA/WB. It's hard to put him on a set on this board the way he played it but you never know with these tight-passive/passives. On the river set is even less likely so my guess is he flopped the flush. Does anyone call this river? I usually do but I decided to fold for a change. I really don't think I induced a bluff v this player.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (10 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

BB ($217.70)
UTG ($689.64)
UTG+1 ($143.42)
UTG+2 ($243.74)
Hero ($243.05)
MP2 ($124.25)
MP3 ($105.26)
CO ($336.57)
Button ($158.35)
SB ($156.84)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $1.
UTG calls $2, 1 fold, UTG+2 calls $2, Hero raises to $10, 3 folds, Button calls $10, 2 folds, UTG calls $8, UTG+2 calls $8.

Flop: ($43) 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 players)
UTG checks, UTG+2 checks, Hero bets $30, Button folds, UTG folds, UTG+2 calls $30.

Turn: ($103) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG+2 checks, Hero checks.

River: ($103) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG+2 bets $60, Hero folds.

Thremp · #2 04-29-2006, 12:21 AM

When you check the turn it looks real weak. I wouldn't be suprised to see Tx, JJ-QQ fire and take this down.

crego20 · #3 04-29-2006, 12:34 AM

You induced the bluff from the Ac with the turn check. I think you gotta call this.

PunchyPlay · #4 04-29-2006, 12:35 AM

From a lot of players I wouldn't be surprised, a tight-passive player is just going to check or bet smal most of the time though? QQ is the only hand that marginally makes sense and I think he's raising that pre-flop. JJ would bet smaller, so would a ten. That's my read at least.

crego20 · #5 04-29-2006, 12:36 AM

I guess there wasn't much to talk about then

PunchyPlay · #6 04-29-2006, 12:36 AM

A bluff from the missed Ac is the only hand that makes sense at all, theres really no other hand I can think of that makes sense. So if we're only beating one hand which is a bluff a fold makes more sense doesn't it? I mean like I said earlier maybe QQ bet's like this but.... well I haven't seen it before let's put it that way.

crego20 · #7 04-29-2006, 12:38 AM

I think villian's range is closer to what Thremp posted than just the naked Ac

PunchyPlay · #8 04-29-2006, 12:44 AM

Well, like I said I usually call here... but against this type of player I've found I very very rarely pick off a bluff. If they had some sort of value like a pair they'd just check it to see a showdown, they know I'm not calling with anything they beat. Be interesting to see if anyone else folds here though.

Woolygimp · #9 04-29-2006, 12:46 AM

omg call, you're making me cry.

PunchyPlay · #10 04-29-2006, 12:48 AM

I guess I should add I have a tight aggressive image, close to being a rock.

I realize this must make you 6-max guys cry... be nice if someone with a lot of full ring experience replied though.