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Old 04-26-2006, 12:37 AM
samoleus samoleus is offline
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Default Re: 32K pot against Bld with 8 high? toughest decision I\'ve ever had!

Like I said, there are very few players that I would try this again. However, Bld is one who CAN fold an underset IF he thinks he is beaten.

The problems are:

(1) will he be convinced that a set is no good if I push

(2) might he have 3-4?
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Old 04-26-2006, 12:40 AM
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Default Re: 32K pot against Bld with 8 high? toughest decision I\'ve ever had!

i think

1. the fact that you took so long on the river. maybe you do w/AA cause of the possible straight, but who knows.

2. possibility of 34

3. he is still getting like 2:1 odds....


make this a no go
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Old 04-26-2006, 12:54 AM
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Default Re: 32K pot against Bld with 8 high? toughest decision I\'ve ever had!

Deep Stack poker = great.

I push: that's just an unbelievable play and read, but given that deep of stacks, I honestly can't imagine him calling with 555 or 222; I highly doubt he has 34, if he does, and he made that huge turn bet with it, tip your hat to him. I think he might call with 777, but seriously- why would you want to play a pot this big unless you had the goods?

Yes, it looks like you have AAA or 34, and maybe even JJJ. Honestly, I think on that river push, you have the straight, three jacks, or three aces about 80ish% of the time.

Air the other 20ish%, he almost certainly can't beat anything you can value bet, only air.
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Old 04-26-2006, 01:31 AM
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Default Re: 32K pot against Bld with 8 high? toughest decision I\'ve ever had!

I pull the trigger so I can post this and find out if I made Bld a set.
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Old 04-26-2006, 01:36 AM
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Default Re: 32K pot against Bld with 8 high? toughest decision I\'ve ever had!

how do you play AA on the turn?

what hands does he normally limp call with? Stacks are very deep, have you considered that he could have AA?

How often does he have nothing?

What hand does he expect you to call with on the river?

I lean towards folding.
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Old 04-26-2006, 01:42 AM
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Default Re: 32K pot against Bld with 8 high? toughest decision I\'ve ever had!

You think he would over limp and then call to close the action in a three way pot with AA. I don't buy it KKF.

I would be pretty worried about 34 from bld, or him not folding a smaller set especially with the time you took.
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Old 04-26-2006, 02:15 AM
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Default Re: 32K pot against Bld with 8 high? toughest decision I\'ve ever had!

I'd call and hope he shows 64, then it'd really be the best hand ever, if not oh well its just 3 buyins right?
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Old 04-26-2006, 02:32 AM
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Default Re: 32K pot against Bld with 8 high? toughest decision I\'ve ever had!

Nice post Sam.

You say you guys have logged a lot of hours togather, so he knows how you play your big pairs pretty well. Do you never fold AA to him on the turn? I think he's gonna have a hard time putting you on AA here.
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Old 04-26-2006, 02:41 AM
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Default Re: 32K pot against Bld with 8 high? toughest decision I\'ve ever had!

why would he bet the river for 3800?

he doesn't expect you to call with kk, QQ does he?

and certainly you aren't calling his flop bet raise with overcards right?
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Old 04-26-2006, 02:43 AM
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Default Re: 32K pot against Bld with 8 high? toughest decision I\'ve ever had!

Was $65 a standard bet for you here? When you bet $65 pre and had your hand shown down what was the strength of the hand in previous hands that Bld might have seen. Thing is this, AAA is out of the question because of how long you took. I think he can put you on JJJ here but what percent of the time will he do so and how often does he fold a set? If he flopped a set he played it extremely quickly. Wouldn't be surprised if he had air here.
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