River Decision--Straight-$2/4

Finwe · #1 04-23-2006, 07:00 PM

No real reads here. Villain has been pretty unassuming, seems solid from what little I've seen.

No-Limit Hold'em, $4 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

CO ($424)
Button ($315.20)
SB ($228.80)
BB ($254.50)
UTG ($706.60)
Hero ($648.20)

Preflop: Hero is MP with T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
1 fold, Hero raises to $16, CO calls $16, 3 folds.

Flop: ($38) Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets $26, CO calls $26.

Turn: ($90) 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $68, Hero calls $68.

River: ($226) K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $314 (All-In), Hero ????

Who calls and who folds and why?

Regards,

Fin

Dan BRIGHT · #2 04-23-2006, 07:34 PM

I would call and hope to see a set

6card straight beats set

calmasahinducow · #3 04-23-2006, 07:47 PM

This is a really, really hard spot and I think it's really close. Solid opponents would play a flush the exact same way he did, but obviously his hand range is way wider than this. I think this probably leans toward a call because he knows this is a hard board for you to call anything on.

Go_Blue88 · #4 04-23-2006, 08:24 PM

I call here.

The reason being, he knows you don't have a flush. Now that's an obvious statement, but what I mean is, he might do this with a wide range of hands hoping to get called. Furthermore, he might bluff (although I doubt this is a bluff). I doubt he has JT in your range; but he might think you have something like QK, AK, etc. Thus, he reads you for a strong hand and hopes to get called. So, I call and expect to win a nice pot more often than I rebuy.

Finwe · #5 04-23-2006, 09:34 PM

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I call here.

The reason being, he knows you don't have a flush. Now that's an obvious statement, but what I mean is, he might do this with a wide range of hands hoping to get called. Furthermore, he might bluff (although I doubt this is a bluff). I doubt he has JT in your range; but he might think you have something like QK, AK, etc. Thus, he reads you for a strong hand and hopes to get called. So, I call and expect to win a nice pot more often than I rebuy.

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I don't understand this. He is hoping for a call and we should call??

Also, does anyone play this differently from the turn on?

Thanks,

Fin

Go_Blue88 · #6 04-23-2006, 09:58 PM

Ya we should call b/c he doesn't realize that we're as strong as we are.

What I was trying to say is he might do this push with a wide range of hands, many of which we beat.

Dale Dough · #7 04-24-2006, 01:07 AM

I don't think he would make such a big overbet with a hand you beat, hoping to get called by a worse hand, even though there are three spades out. Would he kill his action by pretending to have a flush? I don't think most opponents think at the level Blue suggested. The fact that this is an overbet makes this a fold for me. Yes, he could have a set, but it's much more likely that he has a flush, IMO.

Yes, it sucks to fold a straight if you might well be ahead, but in many situations, you'd fold TPTK facing a flush, knowing he either has it or is bluffing. I don't see how this situation is any different.

luckychewy · #8 04-24-2006, 02:35 AM

I'd probably call since you disguised your hand well enough. I'd also probably lead turn.

Finwe · #9 04-24-2006, 12:12 PM

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I don't think he would make such a big overbet with a hand you beat, hoping to get called by a worse hand, even though there are three spades out. Would he kill his action by pretending to have a flush? I don't think most opponents think at the level Blue suggested. The fact that this is an overbet makes this a fold for me. Yes, he could have a set, but it's much more likely that he has a flush, IMO.

Yes, it sucks to fold a straight if you might well be ahead, but in many situations, you'd fold TPTK facing a flush, knowing he either has it or is bluffing. I don't see how this situation is any different.

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I agree with this. At the time I thought pretty clearly he either has the flush or air (possibly bluffing with a marginal hand). I didn't have PT running at the time but later find out villain is pretty tight and has a high 62% W$SD. I probably should have folded. I called though and was shown A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].

Regards,

Fin