Strangly played QQ agaisnt a set miner.

[cantsitstillbr]

SB is one of those 8/2 type guys over not too many hands. If I had to guess he is probably one of those set miners.

BB is really shortstacked and loose passive.



100NL 6max on party

I($118) get QQ utg+1.

UTG folds, I raise to $3, folded to sb($104) who calls, BB($15) calls.

Flop($9):
J [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]2 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]5 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]

Check, check, I bet $6, SB calls, BB folds.

Turn($21):
9 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

Check, I check behind

River($21):
4 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

SB bets $8, I raise to $22

[Heine]

I like to make a closer to pot sized bet here on the flop. If it is a set miner do you have any idea how he plays his sets?

If thats the case I would 2/3Pot bet the turn and check and call any normal bet on the river.

Then again i'm kind of new, anyone else agree with my advice?

[KingOfSwords]

He either tried to slowplay a set and got frustrated and bet out the turn, or he took your turn check as weakness after a missed continuation bet and is betting out to try and take it down. I'd just call the river.

I think 2/3 pot on the flop is fine...my preference is pot-sized or close to it, but I don't think it's something that makes or breaks this hand.

[23act]

i would bet the turn at about 1/2 pot. size of bet needs to be big enough to give u information about his hand, but not big enough to push out draws (since they aren't likely).

if he calls, i would be wary on the river.

if he raises, i'd consider if this guy has seen u push others off at the turn and whether he may be putting u on nothing or something weak. without a read, i would fold.

[quarkncover]

Raising this river is really bad and I think you probably realized it as soon as you clicked raise [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

[Dan Bitel]

raise more preflop.

whats with the river raise??? You say he's a set miner, he calls a flop bet on a COMPLETELY drawless board, he bets out the river, and you raise for value??

[Hoopster81]

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Raising this river is really bad and I think you probably realized it as soon as you clicked raise

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I disagree

That punish river bet by villain looks like he's trying to get some value from his top pair. I have to believe he would bet a set stronger here. I like the river raise and folding to re-raise.

[cantsitstillbr]

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That punish river bet by villain looks like he's trying to get some value from his top pair. I have to believe he would bet a set stronger here. I like the river raise and folding to re-raise.

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My exact thoughts

[strunks]

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Raising this river is really bad and I think you probably realized it as soon as you clicked raise

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I disagree

That punish river bet by villain looks like he's trying to get some value from his top pair. I have to believe he would bet a set stronger here. I like the river raise and folding to re-raise.

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If he's betting his top pair for value, do you think he would call the river raise or fold to it?

I would think the only times he will call is if he has better than top pair. So raising only makes you win the min and lose the max.

[amoeba]

i think this hand is played fine.