Learning to play poker (LONG)

[Cosimo]

So I've been registered here for nearly three years, and in that time, I'm still at the micros. I've put in maybe 150k hands so far, which isn't much. Playing for a few months then not at all for a few months -- that's probably why I never learned enough to get out of the poker kiddie pool.

In this post, I thought I'd put down some of the specific changes that I made to my game that helped me move on. I'm hoping that others will contribute with stuff they do now, that they had to force themselves to do. I'll confine myself here to preflop play.

My point is really that I needed to understand why I was making a certain play. Yes, I can hear you guys saying "raise TT and 3bet it", but I need to believe it. What I've tried to do below is give my reasons for making these plays. I think someone learning the game needs to see the evidence for a play before they can commit to it. Hopefully I've led the way to that understanding for someone out there, and hopefully, again, someone else will correct me and help me improve my game.

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I've been raising KQo in EP for a while. I'd say "it depends on the table", but one of the things about raising hands like this is it disguises my other hands more. Among other things, PFR is about establishing a table image where your opponents don't play back at you as much. Passive players never know where they stand, and two things happen: the pots they do win are smaller, and they don't drive anyone out of the pot - meaning that they win fewer pots. Raising KQo disguises my AQ and 99 and KK better, and when it hits, I can continue with aggression that will push others out of the pot as well as pull down bigger pots when they call.

It took me a while to learn to raise JJ in the BB, but I've been doing it for six months or so. When I hit (a J, or an overpair to the flop), I make more money. When I miss, it's easier to get away.

I've also been raising first-in from MP almost all the time. I kick myself when I don't open-raise in MP. The benefits are the same as any other PFR: there's fewer people contesting the flop (which means I win a greater %), a few better hands fold, and sometimes I'll win right there. 75c in blinds is greater than the average win for almost every hand, so even just stealing the blinds puts me ahead.

I don't play AJo in EP. It's too easily dominated. I win small pots and lose big ones. The falloff from A to K to Q to J gets bigger and bigger.

NPAEM has said that one could limp Axs and small PP in EP in passive games, but I'm not often in passive games. In non-passive games, I find those weak, fundamentally speculative hands just lose too much being out of position. Position is awesome, and heavily weighting VPIP to the later positions makes a huge difference in returns. I feel position now; I understand that having position (especially with speculative hands) gives me a big benefit. I win more often, I win bigger pots.

For example: I'll raise A9s+ in LP behind limpers. I force the loose limpers in front of me to put even more money in with their weak hands out-of-position and I get rid of the blinds. When an A does hit, I might get a better ace to fold, and maybe they'll check it to me on a K9x flop and I'll take that down, too. Another thing about not playing weak speculative hands up front is I'm seeing my sets and big draws getting cracked less often.

I isolate more. With the MP calling hands (KTs, ATo), I'll raise instead of call if there's an especially bad player that's limped in front of me. This is probably the thinnest of the preflop actions that I make, especially given the holes in my post-flop game, but I need to learn to isolate. Raising in LP is now cake for me, and I've started to see where that does good, so I'm extending it into MP.

I'll 3bet more, too. My pre-2+2 persona hated putting in money before the flop, and especially showing strength when someone else has already acted tough. AKo and JJ are now in my 3bet repertoire, tho I prolly could add TT. It's like isolating in MP vs LP: by 3betting JJ and questioning when and why I should do so, it's made the argument for 3betting QQ so much easier to understand.

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There are three main lessons that I take to my preflop game.

The first lesson is that speculative hands need limpers and no raises. Like the other two lessons here I'm sure you're thinking "duh." But my point isn't knowing the principle; it's applying it. That means they get played in late position (maybe late MP), and behind limpers. The more people that might raise the hand and that will be behind me post-flop, the weaker the holding. Speculative hands up front are very iffy not just because of flop play, but because playing on the turn with a not-yet-made draw is hard, especially in an unraised pot, and worst in one that's also HU or 3-way. I think a big part of this is backdoor draws and weak made hands, like when A7s hits a pair of 7s or a mid pocket pair hits an inside straight draw -- the big, obvious hands (flush draw, open straight draw, two pair or better) are easy to play, but profit also comes when these hands hit something different and you have the position to take advantage of it. When you're up front, you don't know if anyone else has hit that ragged board; from LP you might be able to bet your paired rag. Getting a cheap turn and maybe a free river card do make a big difference in profitability. (Plus other people have a harder time making the free-card play on you when you are the one with position.)

The second lesson is that raising preflop builds pot equity. Obviously it builds the pot, getting more of their money in. Giant pots are fun, but what's important is dollar equity in the pot. With fewer people in behind me and the blinds out of the picture, there's a lot fewer people against which to contest the hand. I get sucked out on less, my opponents fold to my bets more, and I can drag pots with weaker made hands. Limping means I lose less when I lose; raising means that I win more often. Raising is the better play.

Third lesson: I need to think, "Is this a good bet?" My mindset used to be "I am not likely to win this, I don't want to raise/bet/call", which is the wrong way to look at it. In addition to being negative, I was focused on the chance of winning -- not on EV. If I ask myself, instead, "is raising here a good bet?" I can answer 'yes' consistently with theory, and make the right play.

Playing good poker isn't about learning the right moves, it's about making the right moves. I see myself getting better by learning to make the moves that I already know.

[caz]

Very nice read. Thanks.

[OziBattler]

Excellent post Cosimo.

Understanding WHY we make certain plays is ooh so important and this post really struck home with me. Also understanding that we should make plays based on EXPECTATION is also vital.

again, nice post...defintely worth the read

Battler

[nomadtla]

I like it. I like it a lot.

[Thrakkar]

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I'll confine myself here to preflop play.

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I'm looking forward to the next part of your series! [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]


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If I ask myself, instead, "is raising here a good bet?" I can answer 'yes' consistently with theory, and make the right play.

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It's not only +EV play, it also keeps you from going on tilt when things don't work out, right?

Nice post!
Thomas

[acpawlek]

Is this good advice if you are trying to get out of the micros and can't? I'm not trying to flame or antogonize, I'm more curious from the point of view of a spectacular player....which I am not. Anyone care to chime in?
-Andrew

[kiemo]

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I don't play AJo in EP. It's too easily dominated. I win small pots and lose big ones. The falloff from A to K to Q to J gets bigger and bigger.



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Dear lord you have been in the mircos longer then me. I thought this unpossible.

And I think only me and you agree on this AJo advice.

[MrWookie]

His post is correct to a certain extent. However, his emphasis on preflop is a little much. It's just one street out of four, and during it, you can only put in 1/6 of the total amount of money you can ever get into a pot. It is critical, though, especially because of how it sets up postflop play. What's especially nice is how easy it is to learn relative to postflop play. That's not to say that preflop play is a completely solved problem, but I'd say it's a lot closer than any post flop play, AND it's by far the easiest to teach a new player.

In summary, yes, these are some great things to think about for preflop play. If you want to be a successful player, you must be thinking about these things. Will this alone take you out of the micros? Eh, I doubt it. There's still too much poker to play, and too many mistakes to be made, for preflop play alone to carry you so far. This line of thought, though, goes a long way towards understanding postflop play, which is really what you need to have down before moving up.

[Commie]

Great post, really good info [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] I've been trying to get my PFR% up actually and this will help me get on my way.

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Among other things, PFR is about establishing a table image where your opponents don't play back at you as much.

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Predominantly, PFR is about value. Worry about equity first, second, and a third. Placing emphasis on "table image", while fun, can ultimately lead to getting away from the fundamental tenet which governs why you make a poker play: for value. With each time you bet, call, raise, or fold you need to be thinking "what is the expectation that this play gives me? Is that expectation greater or lesser with other plays? (note that this could include making a play with 'less' negative value) In the long run, which play will have the greatest value?"

That's it. If you can answer that question for each decision that you make in poker, then you're going to go a long, long way.

Yes, I can post something of value once in a while.