PS(60) Another KK hand

[alwardc4]

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t20 (9 handed) converter

UTG (t1280)
UTG+1 (t1550)
MP1 (t1210)
Hero (t1470)
MP3 (t1510)
CO (t1630)
Button (t1450)
SB (t1890)
BB (t1510)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
UTG calls t20, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP1 calls t20, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t100</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, Button calls t100, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, BB calls t80, UTG calls t80, MP1 calls t80.

Flop: (t510) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets t60</font>, UTG folds, MP1 calls t60, Hero calls t60, Button calls t60.

Turn: (t750) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets t60</font>, MP1 calls t60, Hero calls t60, Button calls t60.

River: (t990) K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets t60</font>, MP1 folds, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t1250</font>, Button folds, BB calls t1190.

Final Pot: t3490

Do you get away from this for such small bets yet it is multiway?

[pooh74]

Raise more PF when two limpers are in ...at least 20 more.

And, lol, you're pratically getting odds on your two outs calling down...so I don;t even know what to say about the betting in the hand as its so unsual at this level.

[Pasterbator]

Heh. Thats just weird. Believe it or not, you're getting odds to call for your K on every street, so even if you're behind, you're making the right play. Nice river push.

EDIT: DAMNIT I THOUGHT ABOUT THAT FIRST!

[Todd]

Well if you lost to 45 in the BB, then there is no way to get away from hand. Bad Beat baby. If BB overcalled with AA then that seems like an very bad way to play AA.

I think the raise is fine, 20 or 40 more is not that big a deal on level 1, I wouldnt have expect to get 4 calls. If the table has been loose calling raises, then definately raise more.

[Todd]

Paster,

2 outs from 47 is a 23:1 against on the flop. Pot is paying 680 for a 60 call or 11:1.

In a normal game, I would expect more betting on the turn, so would not count on a free river.

So I (perhaps ignorantly?) dont see how this is a good call, if you believe villian is holding an A.

Todd

[Eagles]

Looks fine maybe raise a bit more pf.

[Pudge714]

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Paster,

2 outs from 47 is a 23:1 against on the flop. Pot is paying 680 for a 60 call or 11:1.

In a normal game, I would expect more betting on the turn, so would not count on a free river.

So I (perhaps ignorantly?) dont see how this is a good call, if you believe villian is holding an A.

Todd

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You are getting implied odds on your call though. In my opinion a flop call is pretty close to neutral EV.

[Pasterbator]

The reason you can call these bets is that he doesnt always have an A. He can very easily have a draw, mid PP or anything else. No one is showing strength, so you shouldnt dump you're hand getting such good odds. If at any point there was some actual betting, you should fold.

Except on the river, obviously.

[pooh74]

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Paster,

2 outs from 47 is a 23:1 against on the flop. Pot is paying 680 for a 60 call or 11:1.

In a normal game, I would expect more betting on the turn, so would not count on a free river.

So I (perhaps ignorantly?) dont see how this is a good call, if you believe villian is holding an A.

Todd

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You are getting implied odds on your call though. In my opinion a flop call is pretty close to neutral EV.

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Plus you're not sure of the A. But yeah, Implied odds make it worth it. I'm not scared of the 45, I think they raise with the FD given that the Ace is not a club any 45 will protect against the Ac flush draw.. I think you're good on the river and would likely see a 2 pair hand or baby set betting like this.

[Todd]

Ah, implied odds. The 'implied odds neuron' was a little slow in waking up this mornign.

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