I play like Scuba - Page 3

Scuba Chuck · #21 01-06-2006, 05:38 AM

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sorry I was referring the the hand suggested in the OP.. I should have been more clear.

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I'm even more confused now. What's the difference in our approach on the two hands. I lead the flop in my hand for ~ 72% of the pot. PVS lead the flop here for 75% of the pot.

Guess I'm nitpicking. I'm trying to understand what you're referring to.

And Again: The river is perfecto!

Seadood228 · #22 01-06-2006, 05:54 AM

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I'm even more confused now. What's the difference in our approach on the two hands. I lead the flop in my hand for ~ 72% of the pot. PVS lead the flop here for 75% of the pot.

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Sorry I thought I remembered the original flop giving you one possible overcard to go with your flush draw. I didn't realize you had 4 more outs.

If we are looking at simple flushdraw vs. flushdraw hands, I'd prefer to bet out into a largish field when the stacks are a little deeper because you can manipulate the pot more effectively.. that is all..

pineapple888 · #23 01-06-2006, 02:42 PM

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I was thinking of Scuba's A3s hand the other day while playing this hand. Is this how Scuba would play it? Does that make it right?

PS 55 Turbo

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t20 (9 handed) converter

MP2 (t1960)
MP3 (t1580)
CO (t1460)
Button (t1240)
Hero (t1480)
BB (t1320)
UTG (t1480)
UTG+1 (t1500)
MP1 (t1480)

Preflop: Hero is SB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
3 folds, MP2 calls t20, 1 fold, CO calls t20, 1 fold, Hero completes, BB checks.

Flop: (t80) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (4 players)
Hero bets t60, BB folds, MP2 calls t60, CO folds.

Turn: (t200) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets t100, MP2 calls t100.

River: (t400) K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, MP2 bets t500, Hero calls t500.

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This hand is quite a bit weaker than Scuba's. He had the nut flush draw, a straight draw, and the A overcard.

I like betting the flop, but don't understand the 1/2 pot turn bet with nada and a weak draw against someone who apparently likes to chase. You rate to be behind at that point, and your reverse implied odds suck. Either try to blow him off the pot with 175 bet or just check it, I think.

K [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] saved you on the river, probably, although you still might be busted. I could go either way with betting or checking, but you can't get away from the hand, of course.

Phil Van Sexton · #24 01-06-2006, 06:23 PM

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I think the flop lead is a little better than Scuba's, stacks are a little deeper for pot manipulation.

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Are you insinuating that I suggested a line of action for this hand? Because I didn't.

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Why not? I'm curious where I went wrong in my Scuba impersonation.

Anyway, here are my thoughts, for what they are worth.

Flop....I like to bet out on the flop a lot...with a draw, top pair, a set...whatever, so betting makes sense for me. Especially with 1500 chips. I'm also looking for a few more outs by getting hands like KQ or AT to fold here.

Turn....The king may be scary to my opponent, so why not just bet out again. A lot of people will call my 60 on the flop with just overcards or 2nd pair thinking I'm just making a play. When I fire again, they know I'm serious and that they'll probably be facing another bet on the river. Standard for me. I don't think I need to bet more than 100 to accomplish this.

River....I felt funny checking this, but I knew Scuba would so why not try it. After 2 quick calls by the villian, I figured he was on a draw. A straight draw aint calling any bet. Axh is strong possibility, but so is something like 87h. I'm going to get paid by 87h or Kx either way, so I figure I'll check and maybe avoid getting pwned by Axh or a strangely played boat.

KarmaBites · #25 01-06-2006, 06:25 PM

ERRRRR RAISE THE RIVER? WHY ELSE WERE YOU IN THE HAND?????

[X] YOU MIGHT SUCK

KarmaBites · #26 01-06-2006, 06:26 PM

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I was thinking of Scuba's A3s hand the other day while playing this hand. Is this how Scuba would play it? Does that make it right?

PS 55 Turbo

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t20 (9 handed) converter

MP2 (t1960)
MP3 (t1580)
CO (t1460)
Button (t1240)
Hero (t1480)
BB (t1320)
UTG (t1480)
UTG+1 (t1500)
MP1 (t1480)

Preflop: Hero is SB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
3 folds, MP2 calls t20, 1 fold, CO calls t20, 1 fold, Hero completes, BB checks.

Flop: (t80) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (4 players)
Hero bets t60, BB folds, MP2 calls t60, CO folds.

Turn: (t200) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets t100, MP2 calls t100.

River: (t400) K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, MP2 bets t500, Hero calls t500.

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This hand is quite a bit weaker than Scuba's. He had the nut flush draw, a straight draw, and the A overcard.

I like betting the flop, but don't understand the 1/2 pot turn bet with nada and a weak draw against someone who apparently likes to chase. You rate to be behind at that point, and your reverse implied odds suck. Either try to blow him off the pot with 175 bet or just check it, I think.

K [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] saved you on the river, probably, although you still might be busted. I could go either way with betting or checking, but you can't get away from the hand, of course.

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WHY IS THIS FISH GIVING ADVICE????????

Scuba Chuck · #27 01-06-2006, 06:28 PM

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ERRRRR RAISE THE RIVER? WHY ELSE WERE YOU IN THE HAND?????

[X] YOU MIGHT SUCK

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If the river didn't pair, there would be more merit to your statement. Please refrain from telling people they suck.

KarmaBites · #28 01-06-2006, 06:31 PM

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ERRRRR RAISE THE RIVER? WHY ELSE WERE YOU IN THE HAND?????

[X] YOU MIGHT SUCK

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If the river didn't pair, there would be more merit to your statement. Please refrain from telling people they suck.

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YOU SUCK

bennies · #29 01-06-2006, 06:36 PM

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Please refrain from telling people they suck.

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Indeed, please refrain.

Thanks for posting Phil, cool to see you playing a bit. However, you could have chosen somewhere else than MY 60s to make your comeback [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] .

About the hand, I basically never bet the flop here, but I might checkraise to some weak action. Having gotten to the river the way you did, I like the check.