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Old 04-12-2006, 11:52 AM
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Default QQ: No pot is big enough

This is a lively game at the local casino. People are chatting and being friendly, with lots of good natured joking around. It's also more aggressive than a typical live game around here, often being 2 or 3 bets before the flop, and with later street raises not as uncommon either. It has its passive spots still though, including the PFR in this hand. He has raised preflop before, but limped KK and played it passively on a ragged board.

This is a kill hand, and the killer is a bit of a LAG. Not the sort you'd see online, but more aggressive than a typical 3/6 player. I saw him bluff once when the time seemed right, and while he's too loose pre and post flop he's still one of the better players in the game.

The preflop capper loves to LRR - I've seen him do it three times in the hour and a half I'd been at the table, and it means a decent but not necessarily premium hand.

Hero is Button with Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
Kill Hand: 6/12

Preflop:
UTG folds, <font color="red">UTG+1 raises</font>, UTG+2 calls, Killer calls in MP2, folds to hero, <font color="red">Hero 3-bets</font> and pre tips the dealer, SB calls, <font color="red">BB caps</font>, calls around.

Flop: 6 players, 23 SB
A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
<font color="red">SB bets all-in</font>, BB folds, UTG+1 folds, UTG+2 calls all-in, <font color="red">Killer raises</font>, Hero calls

Turn: 4 players, 2 all-in, main: 13.5 BB, side: 1 BB
K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img])
Killer checks, <font color="red">Hero bets</font>, Killer calls

River: 4 players, 2 all-in, main: 13.5 BB, side: 3 BB
A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img])
Killer checks, <font color="red">Hero bets</font>, <font color="red">Killer raises</font>, <font color="green">Hero [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]</font>

All postflop streets are questionable, but especially the river.
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Old 04-12-2006, 12:07 PM
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Default Re: QQ: No pot is big enough

Just call. Probably beat, just hope he is doing this w/ a flush or worse.
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Old 04-12-2006, 12:44 PM
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Default Re: QQ: No pot is big enough

Jc9c = 1 way
AcJc = 1 way
KK = 3 ways
AA = 1 way
AK = 6 ways
AQ = 2 ways

The bulk of these would be raised at some point preflop by this dude, right? He called all bets preflop, although he really only had 1 chance to 3-bet preflop.

All other possible hands you beat. Any flush except the two straight flushes.

AT = 6 ways
AcXc = 8 ways

You simply called the flop with middle set.. not sure how I feel about 3-betting a river c/r and calling a cap. But calling seems weak, and it looks close either way.
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Old 04-12-2006, 01:12 PM
Nick Royale Nick Royale is offline
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Default Re: QQ: No pot is big enough

Raise the flop.

This player didn't have a hand that could beat a straight on the turn but when the river paires the ace he has. Which must mean he have AK/AQ/AT/AA/KK/TT. Given his preflop play AA/KK/AK seems unreasonable.

AQ/AT: 6 combos
TT: 3 combos

He might 3-bet AQ/TT preflop. I think calling is fine, somewhat depending on how laggy he is.
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Old 04-12-2006, 02:15 PM
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Default Re: QQ: No pot is big enough

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Raise the flop.

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I was planning to bring the hammer down on the turn because it was effectively headsup. Why would I rather 3-bet the flop?
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Old 04-12-2006, 02:37 PM
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Default Re: QQ: No pot is big enough

YOu have to raise this flop, you have a strong hand, but on that scary board, it is very vulnerable. And with the players you describe you are goignt o get action with your flop raise, there is no need to wait til the turn here, push it hard when you have the best of it.

Im calling this river.
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Old 04-12-2006, 05:14 PM
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Default Re: QQ: No pot is big enough

Mt. Pleasant massacre! Raise the flop, call the river. My read is killer has ace of clubs, with rags.
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