Um... wow, I suck!

[river me please]

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29/8/4 are pretty terrible stats. I'd re-read sshe again and make sure you actually understand what you are reading.

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And that's a pretty terrible post. Did you go to school to be an as*hole, or did you take one of those correspondence courses on the back of a match book? 'Cuz you're good at it.


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Not really...there is no way of knowing if he is right or not because you haven't even mentioned how many hands make these stats up. Is that 50 hands, where those stats may be acceptable if starting hands have been better than average, or is that 20,000 hands indicating you are looser than my grandpa's scrotal skin?

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Now thats a mental image I didn't really need. On a serious note though I would have to agree that you are way to loose preflop. Of course Your sample size is unknown. I like to be right around an 18 which is ideal for me. the rest would just be spewage. I would also have to guess that you are playing to many hands OOP. The games online are generally much tighter and more aggresive then live. Especially at the low limits. If you are a winning player live then a few minor adjustments are all you need to transfer that into being a winner online

[bravos1]

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I've read SSHE more than 3 times over - it was instrumental in improving my live game... But my ONLINE play over the last 2K hands is so ABYSMAL - just learning PokerTracker - and looking for leaks.

Even the most premium hands are just break even - my downward slope is too "consistent" for just a bad patch of variance, I think - I believe I am just playing VERY poorly online.

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We still don't know how many total hands you are talking about, but I'm gonna go with the 2K you mention.

Your play is obviously still unknown. 2K hands is still a VERY small sample size. Some people in this forun play 2K hands a day and certainly have losing days. You stated that your stats are around 29/8/4 over these 2K hands. Even at 2K hands, your VPIP is high and your aggression is pretty high as well. Please note that this is assuming you are playing FR and not 6-max. People are targeting a VPIP of 18-22 (mostly 18-20) around here (although this is very subjective to the table and your style. People who play better postflop are able to play with a slightly higher VPIP). Your AF of 4 is pretty high as well, especially with a VPIP nearing 30. It is not a sin to call/check-call instead of betting/raising when your hand may not be the best. Check out the FAQ for more info on stats.

Another thing I noticed..... you said in a different post that you are making insta-much laydowns against TAGs which show aggression. With 2K hands, are you really sure they are TAGs? How many hands do you have on these "TAGs"? If you have only played 2K hands, I'm gonna assume that you don't have nearly enough on most/all of your opponents to start formulating reads of this type.

[AlienBoy]

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you haven't even mentioned how many hands make these stats up. Is that 50 hands, where those stats may be acceptable if starting hands have been better than average, or is that 20,000 hands indicating you are looser than my grandpa's scrotal skin?

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I did mention 2000 hands or so... and I am continually reducing the VPIP figure. Last night it had come down to about 25.

My problem with this poster's response is that is was an asinine attack, as opposed to constructive commentary. The statement "those stats are horrible" is utterly meaningless. The statement "29 VPIP is too high for online games" is meaningful - he wasn't trying to be meaningful, just mean.


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[AlienBoy]

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Those are pretty terrible stats. And if you had taken the time it took to come up with such a snazzy reply to read the FAQ for microlimits you would know those are pretty terrible stats. But by all means, keep [censored] on people trying to help you, that's always a great first impression.

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He wasn't trying to help me (as I indicate in other posts here) - he was just being an a**hole.


AB

[AlienBoy]

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Now thats a mental image I didn't really need. On a serious note though I would have to agree that you are way to loose preflop. Of course Your sample size is unknown. I like to be right around an 18 which is ideal for me. the rest would just be spewage. I would also have to guess that you are playing to many hands OOP. The games online are generally much tighter and more aggresive then live. Especially at the low limits. If you are a winning player live then a few minor adjustments are all you need to transfer that into being a winner online

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Thank you for the USEFUL reply.

Yes, I'm tightening up my PF standards quite a bit. And I'm throttling back the aggression slightly - I think one leak is continuing with aggression too far, and missing reads on certain opponents.

One thing in LIVE I have going for me is my ability in tells and reads - I have GameTime+ with PokerTracker - but it's really not the same. I'm finding myself misreading much more than I'd like...


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[AlienBoy]

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We still don't know how many total hands you are talking about, but I'm gonna go with the 2K you mention.

Your play is obviously still unknown. 2K hands is still a VERY small sample size. Some people in this forun play 2K hands a day and certainly have losing days. You stated that your stats are around 29/8/4 over these 2K hands. Even at 2K hands, your VPIP is high and your aggression is pretty high as well. Please note that this is assuming you are playing FR and not 6-max. People are targeting a VPIP of 18-22 (mostly 18-20) around here (although this is very subjective to the table and your style. People who play better postflop are able to play with a slightly higher VPIP). Your AF of 4 is pretty high as well, especially with a VPIP nearing 30. It is not a sin to call/check-call instead of betting/raising when your hand may not be the best. Check out the FAQ for more info on stats.

Another thing I noticed..... you said in a different post that you are making insta-much laydowns against TAGs which show aggression. With 2K hands, are you really sure they are TAGs? How many hands do you have on these "TAGs"? If you have only played 2K hands, I'm gonna assume that you don't have nearly enough on most/all of your opponents to start formulating reads of this type.

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Yes, full ring and yes, small sample size - after all I just started playing online THIS WEEK.

I'm adding check/call to alot more hands instead of leading with as much aggression, and folding with tighter flop-hit requirements as well.


I'm impressed with those of you that can multi table 4 or more at a time - I find it nearly impossible with 3 tables get QQ, KK and AK all at the same time.


As far as the tags - yes, in some cases their stats are only over a few hundred hands - but a 14/7/2 over 300 hands is still meaningful in the context of my observation of his actions. I think about the actions and the notes I am taking on them, and use the stats as an "additional clue" not the entire basis of the assumption of playing style.



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Those are pretty terrible stats. And if you had taken the time it took to come up with such a snazzy reply to read the FAQ for microlimits you would know those are pretty terrible stats. But by all means, keep [censored] on people trying to help you, that's always a great first impression.

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He wasn't trying to help me (as I indicate in other posts here) - he was just being an a**hole.


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You are too quick to judge. If you read SSHE a couple of times and still have a vpip over 25 you did miss a lot of the pre-flop selection concepts and need to understand that section better. In fact I would say you need to learn to tighten up pre-flop more than you need to learn to curb your aggression. It is much easier to learn a pre-flop chart than to be aggressive post-flop. If his comment was enough to set you off Miles and Boz are going to ruin your entire day sometime in the future.

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You are too quick to judge.

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Quick judgements are something that poker players do...

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If you read SSHE a couple of times and still have a vpip over 25 you did miss a lot of the pre-flop selection concepts

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The 25 VPIP figure isn't mentioned in the book - and I do have the SSHE chart taped on my monitor now - still tonight following the chart I was in the 25 to 30 range.

My sample size is not large enough for this to be definitive, I think. I'm getting alot of great starting hands and getting sucked out on alot at this .5/1 level. But I want to beat this level (or at least break even) for a good sample size before moving up.


Cheers


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[Niediam]

When I first read SSH I went strickly by the chart for a while and my VPIP was something like 15...

[Yerma]

Why would anyone help you after you write something like this? This thread should be locked.