PP 11 How bad is this fold? - Page 2

AliasMrJones · #11 04-09-2006, 01:38 PM

If you can push this preflop, do it. If not, definitely call and play the flop.

FullyBoat · #12 04-09-2006, 01:47 PM

Pretty bad.

Even if you KNEW you were up against AA or KK, you're getting more than the right price to call and hopefully spike a Q.

DaN_05 · #13 04-09-2006, 02:27 PM

There's pretty bad, and then there's this hand. WOW. 'nuff said.

oyvindgee · #14 04-09-2006, 02:40 PM

I've seen people folding on the river when the board is the nuts, but besides that I've never seen anything like this.

caretaker1 · #15 04-09-2006, 02:50 PM

You're getting 10-1. Even if BB could somehow turn over his hand and show you aces, this is still a call.

jah0550 · #16 04-09-2006, 02:51 PM

very very bad fold. Did you not expect UTG to move in after raising to 300? I dont understand the fold after you have committed 1/2 your stack already. If it were a higher buyin, like the 109s+, I might fold, but there are so many terrible players at the 11s that call your 1000 raise with KQ or a pair less than QQ. (I am sure that you are more worried about the CO than UTG, but I still push) PUUUUUSSSSSHHHHH and if you lose, just fire up another game.

villainy · #17 04-09-2006, 03:15 PM

Well here is the answer to how bad it was. Poker stove says you were 45% to win this pot going in. AK was 36 and TT was 19. You had pot odds that were 395 to see a pot of 4600 (you can be sure that CO is throwing in 395 to see this pot as well). I make that better than 10 to 1 odds.

Btw..... if you go all in against CO and win the side pot...you still come out with only a small loss on the hand. Whatever were you thinking??

loxxii · #18 04-09-2006, 03:22 PM

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just fire up another game

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thats the one thing have to get used to doing. i thought it was early enough in the tourney to easily make up the 1000 i lost on the iso attempt (i did come back later in the game). i have to get used to not worrying about busting out early (aka this is not the WSOP).

what is the minumum hand you would not pf fold under any circumstances everyone seems to agree with QQ+. What about JJ or AK?

RobGW · #19 04-09-2006, 03:27 PM

I still dont think you get it. The pot is about 3700 and its 395 back to you.... You shouldnt be folding anything at that point. Id suggest reading some 2+2 books and learn about odds.

loxxii · #20 04-09-2006, 03:40 PM

Thanks to the people that gave real feedback. Another question for you guys that haven't answer it already. How would you play this considering it is early in the game? Would you reraise smaller. If not, is it cool to race against 2 players in the 3rd round in your opinion?

I think what has me confused is the recommendation to play tight early, e.g., if this was like the 1st hand and you knew someone had aces, you would still go in with this or was my reraise just too big?