Two TT hands

topspin · #1 04-09-2006, 10:12 AM

In hand 1 both villains are loose before the flop and could have a pretty wide range of hands here. Hand 2 was my first hand at the table (a different one from hand 1).

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Paradise Poker 1/2 Hold'em (10 handed)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
UTG calls, 2 folds, Hero raises, 4 folds, SB calls, 1 fold, UTG calls.

Flop: (7 SB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB bets, UTG calls, Hero raises, SB calls, UTG 3-bets, Hero calls, SB calls.

Turn: (8 BB) T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, UTG bets, Hero raises, SB folds, UTG calls.

River: (12 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets, UTG calls.

Final Pot: 14 BB

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Paradise Poker 1/2 Hold'em (9 handed)

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. Hero posts a blind of $1.
1 fold, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls, 1 fold, Hero (poster) raises, 1 fold, Button calls, 1 fold, BB calls, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls.

Flop: (10.50 SB) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (5 players)
BB checks, UTG+1 checks, MP1 bets, Hero raises, Button calls, BB calls, UTG+1 folds, MP1 3-bets, Hero caps, Button calls, BB calls, MP1 calls.

Turn: (13.25 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (4 players)
BB checks, MP1 bets, Hero raises, Button calls, BB folds, MP1 calls.

River: (19.25 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
MP1 bets, Hero raises, Button folds, MP1 3-bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 25.25 BB

borges · #2 04-09-2006, 10:32 AM

Hand 1: What other line is reasonable? NH

Hand 2: The stop and go on the turn would worry me also....I think you played this hand perfectly also...Just calling the river donk would have been really weak with a boat. NH

lucksack · #3 04-09-2006, 10:42 AM

Grunch. I think the first one is fine, but I'm not sure if you could cap the river in second one. He might flush instead of aces full, but AT looks pretty likely too. I doubt either play is a big mistake.

Str8Fish · #4 04-09-2006, 11:39 AM

I don't disagree with anything here.

Unless I'm not seeing something, I'm confused why a poohbah would post these two hands unless there was some hidden lesson. Are you a poohbah of the micros or a poohbah of OOT?

tiltaholic · #5 04-09-2006, 12:29 PM

both good.
hand 1 is routine. downswing?

in hand 2, good for him if he has A7 or AT (er, we beat 77).
sometimes when i'm new at the table i'll just call the river because most people won't lead the river unless it improved them and i'm usually at weak/tight predictable tables full of relative tags. at 1/2 but i can't really put him on AQ or QQ and there are so many flushes or other aces he could play like this so in the heat of the moment i think i'd have to raise the river.

topspin · #6 04-09-2006, 12:44 PM

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both good.
hand 1 is routine. downswing?

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No, perhaps the hand is less interesting than I originally thought. The turn decision is what I was wondering about. When UTG check-3bets the flop, I have him on either pumping a draw for value or slowplaying a big hand. The T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] on the turn completes a lot of those draws. The turn raise is basically hoping UTG has 2 pair or an underset, which I think happens often enough to raise for value.

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in hand 2, good for him if he has A7 or AT (er, we beat 77).
sometimes when i'm new at the table i'll just call the river because most people won't lead the river unless it improved them and i'm usually at weak/tight predictable tables full of relative tags. at 1/2 but i can't really put him on AQ or QQ and there are so many flushes or other aces he could play like this so in the heat of the moment i think i'd have to raise the river.

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Yeah, hand 2 was basically an aggression check; wasn't sure if raising the river was spew or good value. I'm pretty sure capping is bad here though.

For the curious, villain in hand 1 has 77, and A7 in hand 2.

Fantam · #7 04-09-2006, 12:49 PM

Hand 1: looks standard to me. I dont think that you should have capped the flop, if thats the question.

Hand 2: I would have been tempted to cap the river.

MacGuyV · #8 04-09-2006, 01:03 PM

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wasn't sure if raising the river was spew or good value. I'm pretty sure capping is bad here though.

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Agree 100%. The first river decision is marginal either way. Just do not cap.

Buckmulligan · #9 04-09-2006, 01:12 PM

Hand one is alright. If it weren't for the diamond, I'm not sure if I'd raise, though because I might want some overcalls.

hand two is fine as well.

kingjoe · #10 04-09-2006, 01:25 PM

Grunch.

Looks good to me.

Hand 1, I don't even get why you're posting. Pretty standard line, isn't it? Or am I missing something?

Hand 2, only question at all looks like whether you should cap the river. I think you're right not too. Villain's representing AQ.