PP 100 -- Somewhat Deep, A Fine Mess, Richer Pot than Peruvian Weed.

[epdaws]

PP NL 100, rull ring, 9-handed

Hero is CO with $264
MP2 has $126
Button has $218

Reads: I have been crushing the table with aggressive play and, admittedly, hot cards. The table has been pretty weak-tight overall. MP2 is reasonably new; he's 40/6 in 50 hands. Button is a never-raise; in 600 hands I have him at breakeven, with stats of 32/0/1.3.

I'm aware that you will hate preflop. That's fine. I'll say it for you: "Fold preflop." Moving on...

Preflop: Hero is CO with 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

UTG limps, UTG+1 limps, MP1 limps, MP2 limps, Hero raises to $8, Button calls, folds back to MP2, MP2 calls.

Flop: ($28) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

MP2 leads for $15, Hero raises to $50, Button calls, MP2 pushes all in for $118 total -- $68 more, Hero...?

[djoyce003]

man i'd be worried about the cold call by button of your initial raise. I probably dump it here. If you are ahead, it's probably not by much and I think you are probably behind.

[Dan Bitel]

epdaws,

I don't mind preflop at all...BUT, with so many limpers to me, I think a limp would be better than a raise.

You gotta fold on the flop. As juicy as the pot odds are, you're just behind too often IMO

[meow_meow]

I can't see the button having anything other than AA or a set with that action. The MP2 range is quite a bit broader, given that he almost certainly puts you on a big pair, lets say any 2-pair, 99, T9, or a set.
These ranges give you 25% equity, which makes a call pretty tempting.
I'm not sure what to make of MP2 leading on the flop, but it makes me lean towards folding.

[cbloom]

Hmm.. I don't see how you can fold with those pot odds. Part of the key is that you have the sets pretty well blocked with your hole. I put button on 66+ with his cold-call preflop and on the flop. MP2 is actually a bit more scary since I'm presuming that limp preflop makes the big pairs less likely for him.

Board: 8s 7h 6c
Dead:

equity (%) win (%) tie (%)
Hand 1: 27.5979 % 26.78% 00.82% { 8d7c }
Hand 2: 19.9679 % 18.86% 01.11% { 66+ }
Hand 3: 52.4342 % 51.33% 01.11% { 99-55, T9s, 54s }

Okay, so if Button wasn't deep I think it's definitely a call. With Button being deep it comes down to what he has. That call of the big raise on the flop is the big mystery. Is that really 66+ or is it just 66-88 ?

[Sculley]

I feel like you're looking at an overpair - is this guy the type to go broke with AA? All the telltale signs of a second-hand low AA are present, the guy limps, but then calls a raise? If the guy's bad, he'd do this with a number of hands, including 88, 77, 66 (but these are unlikely, considering your holdings) - but if you feel like he knows what he's doing, then he could have AA, KK, QQ, JJ. Of course, he could have 9T or 45, but it doesn't seem like he'd be calling with these hands either.

Make the call.

[meow_meow]

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I feel like you're looking at an overpair - is this guy the type to go broke with AA? All the telltale signs of a second-hand low AA are present, the guy limps, but then calls a raise? If the guy's bad, he'd do this with a number of hands, including 88, 77, 66 (but these are unlikely, considering your holdings) - but if you feel like he knows what he's doing, then he could have AA, KK, QQ, JJ. Of course, he could have 9T or 45, but it doesn't seem like he'd be calling with these hands either.

Make the call.

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There are two villains still in the hand.
Also, I think MP2 limp-reraises pf with AA almost always.

[Mercman572]

with button left to close the action, easy fold.

[wslee00]

I think MP2 has the straight. I'm sorta worried about button, but I can't see him cold calling anything here that can beat top two - he's pushing with anything that beats you due to the coordinated board.

I don't think the pot is laying you good enough odds for a call since you're basically drawing to 4 outs as of now, and with the addition of Button still to act (although I think he will fold to a push by Hero) I think it's a fold.

[thedustbustr]

meh, I think it's a marginal call, its definitely not an "easy" fold.