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Old 04-03-2006, 11:41 AM
detonum detonum is offline
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Default Top set on a dangerous flop

Great! I flopped top set! But did I play this correctly?

Once a few short stacks went all in on the flop and UTG+1 raised for $6, I was pretty sure someone had flopped a straight/lower set/two pair. But even if someone has a straight, I have plenty of outs to improve to full house (7 outs on the flop, 11 on the turn?). Do you think the flop (and the turn) calls are justified?
No reads, semi-loose table.
Also, hand converter didn't work with this hand, so I had to edit it myself, so there might be some small errors.

NL10

- BB sitting in seat 1 with $5.62
- UTG sitting in seat 2 with $2.54
- UTG+1 sitting in seat 3 with $15.21
- ---- sitting in seat 4 with $0.33
- ---- sitting in seat 5 with $4.75
- Hero sitting in seat 6 with $10.37
- ---- sitting in seat 7 with $20.90
- ---- sitting in seat 8 with $4.60
- ---- sitting in seat 9 with $21.29 [Dealer]
- SB sitting in seat 10 with $10.26

Dealt to Hero: 10 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 10 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

UTG called - $0.10
UTG+1 called - $0.10
2 folds
Hero raised - $0.60
3 folds
SB called - $0.60
BB called - $0.60
UTG called - $0.60
UTG+1 called - $0.60

Flop: ($3) 10 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 9 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 8 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]

SB checked
BB checked
UTG checked
UTG+1 checked
Hero bet - $1.00
SB folded
BB raised - $2.00
UTG went all-in - $1.94
UTG+1 raised - $6.00
Hero called - $6.00
BB went all-in - $3.12

Turn: ($20) 6 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

UTG+1 bet - $3.70
Hero called - $3.70 (all-in)
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Old 04-03-2006, 11:46 AM
Dan Bitel Dan Bitel is offline
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Default Re: Top set on a dangerous flop

The 1st time it gets to you on the flop, bet nearer pot

The 2nd time it gets to you, PUSH
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Old 04-03-2006, 11:54 AM
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Default Re: Top set on a dangerous flop

this is the worst possible situation to slowplay: pot the first time, push when it gets around to you.
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Old 04-03-2006, 11:56 AM
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Default Re: Top set on a dangerous flop

Wow, that's alot of damn action.

Geez, bet more on the flop, anyone who is open-ended is getting great odds on you $1 bet. They can even raise for value if enough people call. With that board and this many people in, I want to protect this hand and would probably over bet the pot. If those to your immediate left have a lone seven, they would have to fold.

Now you've been c/r in two spots. However, the pot is large, you may have the best hand, you currently have over 30% chance of improving by the river, and BB is probably calling in this large pot. I would probably just push now, since you are calling the turn anyway.

You're not good on the turn, but the pot is so large and the bet so small, you have to call.

I don't think the call is the problem. Your bet on the flop is bad IMO.
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Old 04-03-2006, 12:17 PM
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Default Re: Top set on a dangerous flop

Thanks for the replies. My biggest concern on the flop was to get atleast one call; I had not seen much tricky play on the table, and figured they had weak hands.
But I guess I shouldn't take this into consideration when betting?

I didn't push after the action because I knew I wasn't going to drive anyone out of the pot anymore, although I knew I would be calling all bets on the turn anyway, like you said, Hince. I'll push next time.
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Old 04-03-2006, 12:19 PM
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Default Re: Top set on a dangerous flop

Pot the Flop, Push the 2nd time
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Old 04-03-2006, 12:47 PM
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Default Re: Top set on a dangerous flop

Does a worse hand call on this flop, with the whole table seeing the flop, often enough for this to be profitable?
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Old 04-03-2006, 02:04 PM
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Default Re: Top set on a dangerous flop

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Does a worse hand call on this flop, with the whole table seeing the flop, often enough for this to be profitable?

[/ QUOTE ]

Yes, lower sets, 2 pairs, combo draws....hell, even a naked flush draw. PLus, we have loads of equity vs the made strt
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