75/150 H.O.E. Foxwoods

[andyfox]

The fact that sb didn't 3-bet preflop lowers his chances of having a king. In my game, your turn check can frequently be more profitable than betting, even with the flush draw on board, as they might fold to your turn bet after the flop 3-bet, but will often bet with anything on the river once you check behind on the turn, putting you on a flush draw. And then you get the additional benefit of having them see you have top pair. You end up with a lot of free river cards.

[Bill King]

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The fact that sb didn't 3-bet preflop lowers his chances of having a king. In my game, your turn check can frequently be more profitable than betting, even with the flush draw on board, as they might fold to your turn bet after the flop 3-bet, but will often bet with anything on the river once you check behind on the turn, putting you on a flush draw. And then you get the additional benefit of having them see you have top pair. You end up with a lot of free river cards.

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this is what i was trying to point out.. villain in this hand doenst need to take the free card, make his hand, and then bet it for value.. he knows i have him on a range, and he has me on a range.. the point is that I can make a fold if i'm sure he's betting a meaningless card for fold equity.. and even UTG (BK1248) posted in here he still thinks 99 was good, lol.

i think you guys all bring up a good point with betting the turn, but against an aggro oppponent, how valuable is a check here? Worst case scenario: I check and he makes his FD, and I pay him off. Best case scenario, I check he bets and I call.. tabling my hand, and spinning villain's head because of the check from before and the check I just made. He's on my immediate right, which means his button steals will be frequent (not to mention future sessions with him). And like Andy pointed out, I get quite a few free river cards in the future also.

I think it is a very close decision.. b/c there is value in both plays.

[BK1248]

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The fact that sb didn't 3-bet preflop lowers his chances of having a king. In my game, your turn check can frequently be more profitable than betting, even with the flush draw on board, as they might fold to your turn bet after the flop 3-bet, but will often bet with anything on the river once you check behind on the turn, putting you on a flush draw. And then you get the additional benefit of having them see you have top pair. You end up with a lot of free river cards.

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this is what i was trying to point out.. villain in this hand doenst need to take the free card, make his hand, and then bet it for value.. he knows i have him on a range, and he has me on a range.. the point is that I can make a fold if i'm sure he's betting a meaningless card for fold equity.. and even UTG (BK1248) posted in here he still thinks 99 was good, lol.

i think you guys all bring up a good point with betting the turn, but against an aggro oppponent, how valuable is a check here? Worst case scenario: I check and he makes his FD, and I pay him off. Best case scenario, I check he bets and I call.. tabling my hand, and spinning villain's head because of the check from before and the check I just made. He's on my immediate right, which means his button steals will be frequent (not to mention future sessions with him). And like Andy pointed out, I get quite a few free river cards in the future also.

I think it is a very close decision.. b/c there is value in both plays.

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alot of good thinking players c/r, k and q rag boards, because that flop misses alot, ( i just taught this to that dope dcb777). he had bottom pair and would call the turn, i should have capped with 99 and taken it down with his bottom pair and ur flush draw.