Bellagio 300-600: Play this Hand Against Schneids

[diddle]

Play tricky preflop to get extra bets on a good board. Board is very bad. Spew chips. Rinse and repeat.

[Dynasty]

Schneids opponent folded his KK face-up to the turn 3-bet.

Schneids showed TT with the T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].

[PokerPrince]

Lesson learned? Schneids runs good.

[elliot]

check raising with that board is absolutely retarded, i cannot see how it accomplishes anything unless you know he will fold a hand that beats you on the river if the fourth spade comes up and you lead.

[Dynasty]

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check raising with that board is absolutely retarded, i cannot see how it accomplishes anything...

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It would seem he put Schneids on a pocket pair less than Aces on the flop. If he checks to Schneids a second time, how likely is it Schneids won't bet his pair?

[elliot]

if his hand contains a spade, he will most likely call and we will have no idea where we are if a scare card hits on the river.

if that logic holds true on the turn, i dont see why he wouldnt have bet the flop (given how transparent his turn bet is)

[elliot]

i also agree with calling the three bet and not going 4 bets preflop here, as it forces villian into a difficult decision if he does not hit his set on the flop, 4-betting pretty much screams that you currently have him beat and will most likely correctly fold when behind whereas i think you are getting action when ahead if you simply call the three bet.

[Schneids]

I think what you're capturing is that villain checkraises the turn for value, and feels 100% confident that if I 3-bet he's totally crushed.

[chaosuk]

Would you say it accomplishes nothing if foe had JJ rather than 10-10? Whether it's the right play or not is debatable, but to say it accomplishes nothing is senseless.
I've grown to like it more.

Much was suggested of how foe/shneids might have played A k spade this way, but hero from foe's perspective could have played this hand exactly the same way - much more likely than KK.It puts 10-10 in a tough spot if he bets the turn having missed the ten and is raised. Potentially playing the Aks this way is probably what gives KK the license to get away from the 3 bet without too much fear of being outplayed with say JJs.

In some conditions check-raising with KK no spade makes more sense than checkraising with it if you'd reckon villain could fold say 10-10s (for a rag turn card) - which may not occur if he has a tricky image - you'd not want to lose the 10-10s to a cr if you had KKs. Of course if he never reckon to shift 10-10s then it's a good play.

There's plenty of mileage in the the c-r imo, particularly if you'd reckon the risk of a creative play to be low.

[bernie]

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I think what you're capturing is that villain checkraises the turn for value, and feels 100% confident that if I 3-bet he's totally crushed.

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But take it a step further. Wouldn't you be expecting this c/r on the turn from him? Kind of like a version of a sling-shot bet(can't find the link to explain that right now)? He knows you're not going to check it twice so he could c/r with a wide range.

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