NL200 on Full Tilt. My KK runs into heat on a monchrome board.

[wrkingtobegreat]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
??? I thought you were just calling this flop to raise the turn, then I thought you were just calling this turn to rai the river. Duddddee....you have an overpair in a 3-bet preflop hand just push. Your only worried about qq/aa

[/ QUOTE ]

Who the hell are you? Can you leave this forum sometime soon please?

[/ QUOTE ]

I post mostly on SSNL, and I'm here wondering why you think our line is good: a) checking this flop b)flat calling turn
We have no information on this hand because it was played so passively-villain could be bluffing with AK for all we know. While raising the turn could be a tossup, bet this flop always and its not even close.

[/ QUOTE ]

Can you give your reasoning for why you think betting this flop is 'not even close'? I do pretty well in the FT 1/2NL game and I happen to think it is close, as do some other good players. Not saying you're wrong, as I very well could be the one that is wrong, but I'd like to know why you feel the arguement is so one-sided that betting the flop has to be right.

[/ QUOTE ]

By checking the flop behind, villain's turn betting range suddenly becomes much wider than it would have been if we bet. Our hand is very vulnerable. By showing initial weakness and checking, not only do we give villain a free card (villain could very easily have a flush draw with JJ or 1010 which he would probably fold if we bet, also aced kingx), but we make it so that we have no idea where we are at in the hand after villains turn bet. That's why if we are passive enough to check this flop, we should at least be aggressive enough to raise this turn. If we get 3bet, or if we get called and donked into on the river, we can be almost certain that we are beat. Instead, we just call the turn as well, giving us no information and setting up a very tough river decision, and a much much much greater likelihood that villain is misrepresenting the strength of his hand/bluffing. So checking this flop and just calling this turn is bad because:
a) it gives us no information about villain's hand
b)it makes it more likely that villain is bluffing, further complicating our decision
c) denies us the chance to check behind on the turn or river if we choose, to keep the pot small

pot control is very important on hands like this. counterintuitively, betting the flop gives us more pot control here because it gives us the chance to check behind on the turn or river to keep the pot smaller. By checking this flop, we are giving up our positional advantage.

thats where i'm coming from flytrap