NL100: Boat on the river and passive villain raises. Line check please

AlexB182 · #1 10-29-2007, 11:41 AM

Villain is 8/5.5/2.25 over 250 hands. Nothing unusual but he seems to be really tight...
I run at 15/10.
I think PF and flop are standard. On the turn, I think about a 2nd barrel but villains been so tight so far that he could easily c/c with hands like AJ or maybe KJ - TJ on the flop IMO. So when he checks turn behind I start to wonder what he got and plan on checking behind or folding on the river to any bet. But then the 3rd 7 comes and, of course, I bet again. When he reraises quite small I think like WTF...
All comments welcome, would it be stupid to just call his river raise?
Would it be good to fire a 2nd bullet on the turn here?

Full Tilt Poker, $0.50/$1 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 9 Players
LegoPoker Hand History Converter

CO: $20.35
BTN: $97
SB: $97.50
BB: $103.60
UTG: $58.60
UTG+1: $231.35
UTG+2: $76.90
MP1: $175.95
Hero (MP2): $157.25

Pre-Flop: 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (MP2)
4 folds, Hero raises to $4, CO folds, BTN calls $4, 2 folds

Flop: ($9.50) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero bets $7, BTN calls $7

Turn: ($23.50) J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero checks, BTN checks

River: ($23.50) 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero bets $14, BTN raises to $40, Hero ?

SABR42 · #2 10-29-2007, 11:46 AM

No, don't bet the turn against nits on super dry boards. They are tarping you very often.

And that's easiest river shove ever, WTF?

jetsetboy · #3 10-29-2007, 11:53 AM

He has AJ/KJ/QJ/JT/55/22 way to often and will call a push with most of his range. Ship it !

GT30 · #4 10-29-2007, 01:50 PM

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He has AJ/KJ/QJ/JT/55/22 way to often and will call a push with most of his range. Ship it !

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Do 8/5.5 players really cold call w/ KJ,QJ,JT here? Even 55/22 seem like a stretch for a player w/ stats like that.

Still, though, I agree w/ shove here.

AlexB182 · #5 10-29-2007, 01:55 PM

That was one thing I thought about, too.

Chargers In 07 · #6 10-29-2007, 01:58 PM

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Do 8/5.5 players really cold call w/ KJ,QJ,JT here? Even 55/22 seem like a stretch for a player w/ stats like that.

[/ QUOTE ] all they do is set mine...

ship_it_trebek · #7 10-29-2007, 02:20 PM

Easy shove and yes 55/22 is definitely in range here.

CallMeJohn · #8 10-29-2007, 11:58 AM

Your turn line should be c/f.

On the river, push and be ready to laugh at him when he turns over 22/55/AJ

AlexB182 · #9 10-29-2007, 12:11 PM

Ok, I think that is a good point to ask something that might sound really strange:
We all think that this is basically a completely easy river shove, right? Me too. But when he made that tiny river raise, I just had a really really really bad feeling. I needed a few seconds to think it through but it was in fact very tough to find a hand that beats me here. Still I couldn't pull the trigger just because of this bad feeling.
I know this sounds strange and I hope you guys are not falling from your chairs because you laugh so heavily.
So my question: should we stick to our first thoughts (thought does not sound as sissy as feeling) at least sometimes?
Just to get this point clear: I'm instashoving here 99.9 % of the time...
Thanks for your help guys, I hope this doesn't sound too stupid...

jetsetboy · #10 10-29-2007, 12:19 PM

Man there is basically one hand that crush you and it is JJ. J7/J5/J2 shouldn't be in his range. 55/22/AJ are in his range and he will play those hands (at least 55) exactly as he would play JJ. Sometimes it's possible to have a "gut feeling" and follow it but there it's non sens.