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AlexB182 10-29-2007 11:41 AM

NL100: Boat on the river and passive villain raises. Line check please
 
Villain is 8/5.5/2.25 over 250 hands. Nothing unusual but he seems to be really tight...
I run at 15/10.
I think PF and flop are standard. On the turn, I think about a 2nd barrel but villains been so tight so far that he could easily c/c with hands like AJ or maybe KJ - TJ on the flop IMO. So when he checks turn behind I start to wonder what he got and plan on checking behind or folding on the river to any bet. But then the 3rd 7 comes and, of course, I bet again. When he reraises quite small I think like WTF...
All comments welcome, would it be stupid to just call his river raise?
Would it be good to fire a 2nd bullet on the turn here?

Full Tilt Poker, $0.50/$1 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 9 Players
LegoPoker Hand History Converter

CO: $20.35
BTN: $97
SB: $97.50
BB: $103.60
UTG: $58.60
UTG+1: $231.35
UTG+2: $76.90
MP1: $175.95
Hero (MP2): $157.25

Pre-Flop: 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (MP2)
4 folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $4</font>, CO folds, BTN calls $4, 2 folds

Flop: ($9.50) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $7</font>, BTN calls $7

Turn: ($23.50) J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero checks, BTN checks

River: ($23.50) 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $14</font>, <font color="red">BTN raises to $40</font>, Hero ?

SABR42 10-29-2007 11:46 AM

Re: NL100: Boat on the river and passive villain raises. Line check please
 
No, don't bet the turn against nits on super dry boards. They are tarping you very often.

And that's easiest river shove ever, WTF?

jetsetboy 10-29-2007 11:53 AM

Re: NL100: Boat on the river and passive villain raises. Line check pl
 
He has AJ/KJ/QJ/JT/55/22 way to often and will call a push with most of his range. Ship it !

CallMeJohn 10-29-2007 11:58 AM

Re: NL100: Boat on the river and passive villain raises. Line check please
 
Your turn line should be c/f.

On the river, push and be ready to laugh at him when he turns over 22/55/AJ

AlexB182 10-29-2007 12:11 PM

Re: NL100: Boat on the river and passive villain raises. Line check pl
 
Ok, I think that is a good point to ask something that might sound really strange:
We all think that this is basically a completely easy river shove, right? Me too. But when he made that tiny river raise, I just had a really really really bad feeling. I needed a few seconds to think it through but it was in fact very tough to find a hand that beats me here. Still I couldn't pull the trigger just because of this bad feeling.
I know this sounds strange and I hope you guys are not falling from your chairs because you laugh so heavily.
So my question: should we stick to our first thoughts (thought does not sound as sissy as feeling) at least sometimes?
Just to get this point clear: I'm instashoving here 99.9 % of the time...
Thanks for your help guys, I hope this doesn't sound too stupid...

jetsetboy 10-29-2007 12:19 PM

Re: NL100: Boat on the river and passive villain raises. Line check pl
 
Man there is basically one hand that crush you and it is JJ. J7/J5/J2 shouldn't be in his range. 55/22/AJ are in his range and he will play those hands (at least 55) exactly as he would play JJ. Sometimes it's possible to have a "gut feeling" and follow it but there it's non sens.

A_C_Slater 10-29-2007 12:30 PM

Re: NL100: Boat on the river and passive villain raises. Line check please
 
What is this some kind of double deck No limit Omaha game? Must generate some sick action. Should one be raising quad sevens in this game even if they're double sooted? Or can you play the 4 cards in your hand and one from the board?

AlexB182 10-29-2007 12:32 PM

Re: NL100: Boat on the river and passive villain raises. Line check pl
 
Yeah, wondered about that, too. converter messed it up. I recognized early enough at the other hand I posted cause he made exactly the same BS there but missed it here...And now it's too late to edit.
And yes, would be a hell of a sick game...

PLAYOFFS 10-29-2007 01:16 PM

Re: NL100: Boat on the river and passive villain raises. Line check please
 
[ QUOTE ]
What is this some kind of double deck No limit Omaha game?

[/ QUOTE ]

LOL, I kept thinking this was omaha and also wondered how powerful four sevens under could be.

River=Insta-Shove

Effen 10-29-2007 01:22 PM

Re: NL100: Boat on the river and passive villain raises. Line check pl
 
Arrrr in.


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