$10NL - KK Against Flop Raise - Shove here?

CaptainNurple · #1 10-20-2007, 04:50 PM

Prima Poker skin
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.05/$0.10
4 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $18.36
Button: $10.79
SB: $8.84
Hero: $10.10

Pre-flop: (4 players) Hero is BB with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
2 folds, SB calls, Hero raises to $0.3, SB calls.

Flop: 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($0.7, 2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $0.8, SB raises to $1.6, Hero?

I know my pf raise was too small. I think it was a misclick or something.

Anyway, do I just shove here and not overanalyze? Or is there a different line?

Opponent is 26/5/0.53 over 800 hands.

All comments appreciated.

kroeliewoelie · #2 10-20-2007, 04:55 PM

You beat 99-QQ, A8, a flushdraw, a straight draw. And only lose to AA or a set. I shove here (and am happy with it).

HasPair · #3 10-20-2007, 04:56 PM

All day long.

ICMoney · #4 10-20-2007, 05:01 PM

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You beat 99-QQ, A8, a flushdraw, a straight draw. And only lose to AA or a set. I shove here (and am happy with it).

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You really think a weak guy like this is raising a draw?
Obv, calling with A8 and then MR on this board is terrible, but so are his stats.

I think you see a made hand more often than not.

ICMoney · #5 10-20-2007, 04:57 PM

Not really sure why you sligtly overbet the flop.

I prob make it more pf - but only bet .6 into .7.

Against a 17/15 who makes a 3x cR ai, I'm prob shoving.

In this case he is 26/5/0.53 over 800 hands.

I want to say call and maybe call <1/2 psb, but you are prob way behind and the only card that you like is the K [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].

I think a player like this would just CC with a straight/flush draw.

You made a strong bet and he isn't worried.
If he had a set, I would think he would want to charge you more but he's prob the type to "not chase away his customers."

Folding seems weak-tight^2 but you can fold or maybe call one more reasonable bet.

Would be interested to hear thoughts.
Thanks.

ICMoney · #6 10-20-2007, 04:59 PM

Were those datamined hands?

How often does he fold his SB and fold to CBs?

CaptainNurple · #7 10-20-2007, 05:02 PM

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Were those datamined hands?

How often does he fold his SB and fold to CBs?

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Yep, datamined. Is there a stat in PT to show how often someone folds to a cbet? That would be good to know...

ICMoney · #8 10-20-2007, 06:08 PM

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Were those datamined hands?

How often does he fold his SB and fold to CBs?

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Yep, datamined. Is there a stat in PT to show how often someone folds to a cbet? That would be good to know...

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This may be news to you but you really need this stat in your hud.

If you only have a few stats I would use vpip/pfr/hands/cb/fold to cb.

I have stats everywhere on my screen.

You might want to add fold to turn cb and fires turn cb as well.

ICMoney · #9 10-20-2007, 06:11 PM

I was saying to call and re-eval.

You are in position and can see what he does.
If the turn is nasty and he makes a solid bet I don't mind a fold.

If the turn blanks and you want to get it in, fine.
Equity from draws tanks. If he had you beat on the flop, you get stacked on the turn - same thing.

Make sense?

Interesting hand.

Would you mind posting results in a bit?

CaptainNurple · #10 10-20-2007, 06:30 PM

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This may be news to you but you really need this stat in your hud.

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really good to know. I've often wished I had that stat, seems sort of strange to me now that I never actually looked into whether it was available...