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Old 08-07-2007, 06:38 AM
DaycareInferno DaycareInferno is offline
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villain is 72/22/1.7 over about 50 datamined hands.

showdown numbers are 29/55

Full Tilt Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.05/$0.10 Blinds - 4 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter)

SB: $8.40
BB: $9.70
Hero (UTG): $11.10
BTN: $14.35

Preflop: Hero is dealt K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4 Players)
<font color="red">Hero raises to $0.40</font>, BTN folds, SB calls $0.35, BB folds
Uncalled bet of $0.00 returned to Hero

Flop: ($0.90) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
SB checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $0.70</font>, SB calls $0.70

Turn: ($2.30) 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">SB bets $0.70</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $3.65</font>, SB calls $2.95
Uncalled bet of $0.00 returned to SB

River: ($9.60) 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
SB checks, Hero checks

Pot Size: $9.60 ($0.95 Rake)

what am i supposed to make of this guy's turn bet? i hate these awkward donk bets when i miss, because i can't call them, i hate to fold to them, and i don't know whether i can raise them or not.
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Old 08-07-2007, 06:51 AM
kimos123 kimos123 is offline
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Default Re: stupid raise?

i would fold and find a beter spot agaist a 72/22/1.7
he might have a flush draw or a small pair.
what was the result?
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Old 08-07-2007, 06:54 AM
DaycareInferno DaycareInferno is offline
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Default Re: stupid raise?

he had an A6o. shouldn't his wtsd% be higher than that if he calls triple barrels with Ax/air/3rd pair? i'm trying to get better at using these particular stats, but they have been betraying me a little bit so far.
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Old 08-07-2007, 07:38 AM
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i doubt wtsd stats are that reliable over 50 hands
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Old 08-07-2007, 07:46 AM
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Default Re: stupid raise?

If you think you can push him off it then the raise was fine obviously but his stats do look like those of a calling station. I also think the turn bet looks a bit like a push-off rather than a value bet due to it's size.

His turn bet was exactly what it looks like - he hit something very small.

Clearly he's a perfect opponent to simply value bet but not bluff.
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Old 08-07-2007, 08:04 AM
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My raising you just make the calling station outplay you.
I would fold it.
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Old 08-07-2007, 09:57 AM
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I'm a noob, but FWIW, your c-bet didn't get him to fold, but it served it's other purpose - it told you the Villain probably had something.

The turn card still leaves you with nothing. Raising him there looks more than a tad spewy IMO.

No point wheeling out the c-bet if you're not going to listen to it when it tries to tell you something.

I'm a noob. I know nothing.
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Old 08-07-2007, 10:05 AM
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yeah, i hate bluffing calling stations because they don't understand poker and then i lose money when i'm a better player-- you also don't have much of a draw or anything besides 6 outs if he calls so i think i just fold to his donk bet on the turn, no matter how much i hate it b/c i can't find a profitable way to play these players in position by bluffing-- it just never works
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Old 08-07-2007, 10:09 AM
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Maaagnificent
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