Ruling?

[DrewDevil]

Last night I was playing in a 2-5 NL game.

I had position heads up, and while I don't exactly remember the cards, I pretty much had the nuts and I was planning to bet the river.

With the action on him, the other player sort of mumbled something that sounded a little like "check" but I really couldn't make it out at all.

So I said "Check?" in a way that it was unmistakably a question. The other player immediately flipped over his cards and the dealer said we both had checked.

I won the pot, and the guy may have folded to a bet anyway, but do I have any argument that I wasn't checking behind and was just asking?

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[Small Fry]

Sure you do. Although I'm not sure what your going to achieve. Lets say you argue your point and win. You now know the other players cards and are free to take action. He knows you know his cards. Should you decide to bet he has to decide between two very clear options - you have him beat or you're bluffing. He doesn't need to guess anymore about what you think he might have and if you might be making some thin value bet. Not knowing anything else I have hard time seeing him call should you decide to bet as it looks like he was extremely ready for a free showdown.

Should this occur again you might want to change your phrasing to something like, "Dealer, has he acted yet" or "I'm sorry, did you say something" or possibly even, "Hey buddy, you gonna make a decision or what" followed up by "Oh, I'm sorry I didn't hear you. I'm all in then....." [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

[DrewDevil]

I agree, it didn't matter in this hand, just wondering about the ruling.

[gusmahler]

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I won the pot, and the guy may have folded to a bet anyway, but do I have any argument that I wasn't checking behind and was just asking?



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You pretty much have no recourse. Next time, just say, "did you just (check, raise, etc.)?"

[Lottery Larry]

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I won the pot, and the guy may have folded to a bet anyway, but do I have any argument that I wasn't checking behind and was just asking?



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You pretty much have no recourse. Next time, just say, "did you just (check, raise, etc.)?"

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Agreed- make your statement clearer to avoid this confusion in the future

[Zetack]

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I won the pot, and the guy may have folded to a bet anyway, but do I have any argument that I wasn't checking behind and was just asking?



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You pretty much have no recourse. Next time, just say, "did you just (check, raise, etc.)?"

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Agreed- make your statement clearer to avoid this confusion in the future

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I don't think I've ever said Check? Call? or Raise? as a one word question at a poker table. I mean, c'mon, the trouble should be obvious.

[pfapfap]

I've run into an almost problem a few times when dealing, as i announce the action going around. "Check, check..." I'm more careful these days. I have said "Check?" a few times in a B&M limit game, but I'm in therapy and am showing progress.

[DrewDevil]

I definitely won't make the same mistake again, but I was just kind of curious about the technicalities of the situation.

[bfc]

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You pretty much have no recourse. Next time, just say, "did you just (check, raise, etc.)?"

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I also learnt this lesson the hard (i.e., costly) way. I would go one step further and suggest avoid using the words "check" and rase" when formulating the question. For example "have you acted?", "is it on me?", "is it my action?".

This is particularly important in my local games where both Swedish and English are spoken and not all players master both languages. My local casino even has several dealer who do not master Swedish; they know the words for check and raise but can struggle differentiating a question from a statement where both end with the same word. I realise this is probably not an issue for home games attended by people reading this forum but I think it's a useful habit even for US casinos.

[Grasshopp3r]

What are the relevant swedish poker terms? Can you spell them phonetically in english for me? I am of swedish descent and I am curious.