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Old 07-16-2007, 12:46 AM
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Default way ahead/way behind flop question

hero posts in the CO. folded to hero who raise with A2o.
Button folds, sb folds, BB calls. BB is totally unknown.

Flop is AJJ

BB checks, what should hero do?

Does it matter if this is online or live, full ring or 6 max, high stakes or low limit?
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Old 07-16-2007, 12:48 AM
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Default Re: way ahead/way behind flop question

Since threads like this have been getting really long lately, I'm just going to say this:

The answer is bet, and if you disagree, or have any opinion other than bet, you are 100% indisputably wrong.


Bet.
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Old 07-16-2007, 12:56 AM
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Default Re: way ahead/way behind flop question

Here's the hand in question.
Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Preflop: Hero is CO with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, BB calls.

Flop: (4.50 SB) A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, Hero checks.

Turn: (2.25 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, Hero calls.

River: (4.25 BB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 6.25 BB

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
BB has 8s 5c (two pair, jacks and eights).
Hero has Ah 2s (two pair, aces and jacks).
Outcome: Hero wins 6.25 BB. </font>
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Old 07-16-2007, 01:00 AM
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Default Re: way ahead/way behind flop question

I almost kind of like this non-standard line because you are getting paid off so many more bets by nothing against average player.
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Old 07-16-2007, 01:10 AM
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Default Re: way ahead/way behind flop question

If this is online he's putting you on KQ and valuebetting his hand which is standard.

This isn't WA/WB.
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Old 07-16-2007, 02:25 PM
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Default Re: way ahead/way behind flop question

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Here's the hand in question.
Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Preflop: Hero is CO with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, BB calls.

Flop: (4.50 SB) A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, Hero checks.

Turn: (2.25 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, Hero calls.

River: (4.25 BB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 6.25 BB

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
BB has 8s 5c (two pair, jacks and eights).
Hero has Ah 2s (two pair, aces and jacks).
Outcome: Hero wins 6.25 BB. </font>

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You were almost forced into this weak line by playing with such a weak kicker. A2 off in the cutoff... that's even more aggressive than Stox, much more aggressive.

You probably don't gain by betting the flop. If he has an ace you're beat. If he doesn't have an ace or other pair, he's folding. The check at least induces him to bet some weaker hands. But I don't like playing your hand from the cutoff in the first place.
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Old 07-16-2007, 02:35 PM
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Default Re: way ahead/way behind flop question

Let's pretend it's A7 OTB, what difference does it make? If villain has A7 we're chopping like 80% of the time(guess)
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Old 07-16-2007, 03:15 PM
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Default Re: way ahead/way behind flop question

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You were almost forced into this weak line by playing with such a weak kicker. A2 off in the cutoff... that's even more aggressive than Stox, much more aggressive.


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I think the fact that I posted in the CO make a difference. we are investing 1 sb to win 2.5.
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Old 07-16-2007, 03:18 PM
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Default Re: way ahead/way behind flop question

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You were almost forced into this weak line by playing with such a weak kicker. A2 off in the cutoff... that's even more aggressive than Stox, much more aggressive.


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I think the fact that I posted in the CO make a difference. we are investing 1 sb to win 2.5.

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You're right, missed that. I have to read posts more carefully before responding.
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Old 07-16-2007, 03:22 PM
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Default Re: way ahead/way behind flop question

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You were almost forced into this weak line by playing with such a weak kicker. A2 off in the cutoff... that's even more aggressive than Stox, much more aggressive.


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I think the fact that I posted in the CO make a difference. we are investing 1 sb to win 2.5.

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I think an arguement can be made for raising anytwo cards when first in from the CO and having posted.
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