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brick 07-16-2007 12:46 AM

way ahead/way behind flop question
 
hero posts in the CO. folded to hero who raise with A2o.
Button folds, sb folds, BB calls. BB is totally unknown.

Flop is AJJ

BB checks, what should hero do?

Does it matter if this is online or live, full ring or 6 max, high stakes or low limit?

StrictlyStrategy 07-16-2007 12:48 AM

Re: way ahead/way behind flop question
 
Since threads like this have been getting really long lately, I'm just going to say this:

The answer is bet, and if you disagree, or have any opinion other than bet, you are 100% indisputably wrong.


Bet.

brick 07-16-2007 12:56 AM

Re: way ahead/way behind flop question
 
Here's the hand in question.
Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Preflop: Hero is CO with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, BB calls.

Flop: (4.50 SB) A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, Hero checks.

Turn: (2.25 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, Hero calls.

River: (4.25 BB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 6.25 BB

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
BB has 8s 5c (two pair, jacks and eights).
Hero has Ah 2s (two pair, aces and jacks).
Outcome: Hero wins 6.25 BB. </font>

Maliant 07-16-2007 01:00 AM

Re: way ahead/way behind flop question
 
I almost kind of like this non-standard line because you are getting paid off so many more bets by nothing against average player.

StrictlyStrategy 07-16-2007 01:10 AM

Re: way ahead/way behind flop question
 
If this is online he's putting you on KQ and valuebetting his hand which is standard.

This isn't WA/WB.

drbk2 07-16-2007 07:35 AM

Re: way ahead/way behind flop question
 
I posted a while ago about a scenario like this, about whether or not a situation exists where if you open from late position and get called by the blinds whether checking behind is ever correct. I think it really depends on your table image whether or not checking behind is ok. I check behind sometimes when I have nothing, so I have to check behind sometimes when I have something. This is a situation online where I check behind a lot. I like the way you played it, and I agree one reason why is that this is a classic way ahead way behind scenario.

StrictlyStrategy 07-16-2007 07:54 AM

Re: way ahead/way behind flop question
 
If he has A9 or something we have 10 outs to chop.

cowboy billy 07-16-2007 08:31 AM

Re: way ahead/way behind flop question
 
well, I don't like a check unless your opponent is very dumb

this board is perfect for a cb, and when villain raises my blind and then checks this board, I'm always shown the nuts

would you ever check behind with KQ on this board after you raised? I don't, but if you do, then a check might be ok

blindside 07-16-2007 09:30 AM

Re: way ahead/way behind flop question
 
i like this against dumb aggro monkeys... but against most folks... if they don't c-bet on an A-high flop, it is 95% a weak ace or it's a full house...

generally speaking, i like to bet here as most dumb folks will peel for a miracle broadway gutshot anyway...

rafiki 07-16-2007 09:51 AM

Re: way ahead/way behind flop question
 
I'd say that full vs 6max does matter. You can get a little more tricky with just top pair in a 6 max game, but it's very opponent specific also. I'd like to bet the flop though.


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