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Should I protect this small flush draw?
Live, 8-handed, 8/16 table. The cutoff plays loose and fairly aggressive pre-flop and flop but is loose/passive on the turn and river. I'm in the highjack with 5 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]6 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
Preflop: 3 limpers, I call, cutoff raises, BB and all limpers call. Flop [12 SB]: 2 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 8 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] It's checked to me and I bet, hoping the button will raise to protect my hand from redraws. Did I overplay this marginal draw? Should I have even called preflop with this hand? |
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Re: Should I protect this small flush draw?
Preflop is an easy call.
I would check the flop to the CO, hoping he would bet and I would be able to: 1) Trap the field for 2 bets each with a likely large edge in equity. 2) Possibly buy a free card on the turn. Why are we worrying about the redraw when we are not yet there? Edit: with your post-flop passivity read, now I'm not so sure. |
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Re: Should I protect this small flush draw?
He's loose passive on the turn and river. If he bets and more than one person call CR dat shizzle and yell hollllaaaaa while doing so.
Are you worried about the naked A:Spade: or a higher flush draw? Because nobody, NOBDOY is folding a higher flush draw.. |
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Re: Should I protect this small flush draw?
I don't think a higher flush draw is folding, but a LAG may even be raising with A high. In that case, I could be buying myself 6 additional outs.
The general principal from SSHE I was trying to apply was protect your hand in large pots, even adding a few percentage points to your equity is worth an additional bet. Am I misapplying that principal here? |
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Re: Should I protect this small flush draw?
Reading comprehension ftw!
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Re: Should I protect this small flush draw?
There's nothing to protect here. They even say so in SSHE, if you go by that.
Don't let him limit the field with your nice draw. You are much stronger multiway than heads-up, as your equity does not change much, so the more people, the greater your equity edge. Heads-up you have an equity deficit. |
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Re: Should I protect this small flush draw?
you don't have a hand you have a draw
raising drives out the equity you want multiway easy check |
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Re: Should I protect this small flush draw?
Aside from this hand, the concept of when and what to protect, and what and how to build a pot is a big one that you seem to be confusing.
I don't have SSHE with me at the moment, but there is a section that discusses "When the bet is likely to come from your right" or "left" give it a pass through again, and don't just think about the action, but WHY the action is important. Getting this understood, will improve your game significantly. Because right now, your thought process is causing you to make profitable situations unprofitable, and perhaps if you mix it up in the other direction, you may be slowplaying made hands to keep people in when you need to knock them out. |
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Re: Should I protect this small flush draw?
easy flop c/r. you don't have pair outs to clean up, so you just build a big pot.
if you had AsJs or AsQs a bet into the PFR would be more(but not always) correct. |
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Re: Should I protect this small flush draw?
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easy flop c/r. you don't have pair outs to clean up, so you just build a big pot. if you had AsJs or AsQs a bet into the PFR would be more(but not always) correct. [/ QUOTE ] Maybe I'm being too weak-tight here, but I'd call- rather than CR- the small FD (even that I know it's +EV). The reason for this has already been mentioned..if I then check a brick turn, my hand's "face-up." I'd definitely CR the nut FD, tho. I don't think the AJ/AQ comment is relevant here since OP presumably would have raised PF, correct? And FWIW, page 156 of SSHE discusses this situation when you have a small straight or flush draw with no overcards. "Since you will probably win only if you make your draw, but you will almost certainly win if you do, you do not need to protect your hand." In fairness, the SSHE situation is in an unraised pot with 3 or 4 players. But the point is that OP has nothing to protect by betting into the PFR. |
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