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PF:Q [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]T [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
2 limps, a raise, sneaky villian calls, I call, button calls, BB calls. 7 to the flop. Flop:A [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]Q [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]3 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 4checks, PFR who, btw, we don't respect his bets/raises, bets, sneaky villain who has been known to bluff calls, I call, btn calls, 3 folds. 4 to the turn. Turn: 6 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Checks thru. River: 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] PFR checks, sneaky villain bets, and I.... |
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why exactly did the turn check through? i'd have bet it and if i didn't i'd feel inclined to pay this off here. raising would be pretty dumb cuz you are almost always beat here and this is really a crying call at best.
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Why didn't you bet the turn? Were you drinking?
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Do you really think I'm actually winning on the turn? What are YOU putting them on at this point? Personally, I'm now completely discounting the PFR (though I guess some weird AA FPS could be going on). The villian though? Is he just peeling with 55? Most importantly, what about the guy behind me? 14 cards saw the flop FOURTEEN (2 of them ours) Are you really ready to believe that none of them are an ace? At this point, at least, I'm pretty sure I need to improve to win the hand and am folding to any bet.
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Do you really think I'm actually winning on the turn? What are YOU putting them on at this point? Personally, I'm now completely discounting the PFR (though I guess some weird AA FPS could be going on). The villian though? Is he just peeling with 55? Most importantly, what about the guy behind me? 14 cards saw the flop FOURTEEN (2 of them ours) Are you really ready to believe that none of them are an ace? At this point, at least, I'm pretty sure I need to improve to win the hand and am folding to any bet. [/ QUOTE ] Then why are you asking about the river? A raise makes PFR fold KK if you think you have sneaky beat...I guess. |
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[ QUOTE ]
Do you really think I'm actually winning on the turn? What are YOU putting them on at this point? Personally, I'm now completely discounting the PFR (though I guess some weird AA FPS could be going on). The villian though? Is he just peeling with 55? Most importantly, what about the guy behind me? 14 cards saw the flop FOURTEEN (2 of them ours) Are you really ready to believe that none of them are an ace? At this point, at least, I'm pretty sure I need to improve to win the hand and am folding to any bet. [/ QUOTE ] Think about your turn and river play together, if you plan on calling a river bet UI then why not bet the turn and take a freebe since 1 bet is going in on the turn/river anyway and if more go in, your hand is toast. I agree w/the rest the posters in that you should bet the turn and hope they were on draws or although unlikely you may be able to fold out a better Q. You said villain here was sneaky, but can he make a laydown? Is your image good? I think raising the river might be best here b/c KQ, QJ is a pretty decent size of his range and he might lay it down to a river raise. On top of that, you might get one of these guys to lay down a weak ace when you force them to call 2 cold |
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Nobody raised the flop and the flop bettor now checked the turn. None of those hand sound like an ace they're proud of.
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Nobody raised the flop and the flop bettor now checked the turn. None of those hand sound like an ace they're proud of. [/ QUOTE ] They may not be proud enough of it to bet, but that doesn't mean they're folding. |
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[ QUOTE ] Nobody raised the flop and the flop bettor now checked the turn. None of those hand sound like an ace they're proud of. [/ QUOTE ] They may not be proud enough of it to bet, but that doesn't mean they're folding. [/ QUOTE ] this is my general impression of these tables. Frequently you'll be surprised at the strength of hands turned over at showdown given the lack of action during the betting rounds. I really think that betting this turn is spewy. Being able to raise someone here is much different as we might fold out the real ace, but a mere bet is gonna be called by a better hand(s) over 90% of the time IMO. At the river, after the button checked the turn and the PFR is still not betting, our odds of having the best hand have increased dramatically. Just because everyone checks to you and you have a pair, doesn't mean you have the best hand, and certainly doesn't mean you have to bet it. Consensus seems to be that we have enough hand on the river to merit at least a call. Could a raise be better? |
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I don't really understand at all.
PF: I fold. Flop: I r/c given your read on PF raiser. Turn: If not reraised on the flop, I bet, intending to check the river through if called. If reraised on the flop, fold unimproved. As played, you've put yourself in a tough spot. Given your read of the river bettor, I think you probably have to call. |
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