Maybe the single worst hand of poker ever played, $100 NL

djj6835 · #1 03-26-2007, 12:13 AM

Button is crzylgsjaxon, 26/20/1.5 over about 700 hands. He might be 2p2?, i'm not really sure. The main issue is that he's 3-betting an utg raiser that is unkown to me, so I'm not at all sure about his range here. Looking back at this hand, this looks a lot more like AK than AA/KK.

Poker Stars
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.50/$1
6 players
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Stack sizes:
UTG: $96
UTG+1: $45.05
CO: $114.05
Button: $107.35
SB: $183.65
Hero: $101

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is BB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
UTG raises to $4, UTG+1 folds, CO raises to $14, 2 folds, Hero calls, UTG calls.

Flop: 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($42.5, 3 players)
Hero checks, UTG checks, CO is all-in $100.05, Hero folds, UTG folds.
Uncalled bets: $100.05 returned to CO.

Results:
Final pot: $42.5

FeNeF · #2 03-26-2007, 12:17 AM

This is a very weird hand. PF is okay with UTG being unknown, and the flop = WTF? I put him on overcards + diamonds, but who knows? Maybe AJ? I'd probably call although UTG makes me a little nervous because I don't really see him playing anything that beats QQ like this.

Isura · #3 03-26-2007, 12:21 AM

You'll see AA/KK plenty often given that its a 3-way pot and he reraised an UTG. I don't mind this fold.

BGnight · #4 03-26-2007, 12:22 AM

I agree, very strange. I hate calling pf w/ QQ here but raising isnt so special if just called. He either has diamonds or and overpair. AJ maybe. I don't like it. I'd be fine dumping this especially w/ UTG still in hand.

WotaWaster · #5 03-26-2007, 12:35 AM

If your folding this on a J high flop should you fold preflop if you would also fold 55 here?
I don't think you are really getting odds to play for a set and there are the times you lose the 14 without seeing a flop when UTG 4bets and you have to fold.

Isura · #6 03-26-2007, 01:52 AM

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If your folding this on a J high flop should you fold preflop if you would also fold 55 here?

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This is bad logic. He isn't going to overbet shove this flop into 2 players with all of his 3-betting hands.

Psydoc · #7 03-26-2007, 01:59 AM

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If your folding this on a J high flop should you fold preflop if you would also fold 55 here?

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This is bad logic. He isn't going to overbet shove this flop into 2 players with all of his 3-betting hands.

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So we call and hope he bets something like 2/3 pot on this flop so we can push him in? Or bet when checked to and...fold (or call?) a c/r?

WotaWaster · #8 03-26-2007, 08:39 AM

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If your folding this on a J high flop should you fold preflop if you would also fold 55 here?

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This is bad logic. He isn't going to overbet shove this flop into 2 players with all of his 3-betting hands.

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This is true but doesn't change the fact that unless you are willing to get QQ all in as an overpair you shouldn't put 1/7 of your stack in preflop, especially when you do not close the betting and a UTG raiser still has to react to a 3bet.

Playing for set value has -EV and what are you doing if he bets 2/3 pot here instead of shoving?
What are you doing if UTG folds PF, the pot is heads up and the raiser checks? You said yourself he will put your cold call on a narrow range so he may think you have TT+ or AQ+ and not fear draws so much and check AA to you.
I don't think you have enough room to play poker postflop or "find out where you're at". You should make a decision preflop to fold or be prepared to felt this hand as an overpair.