Maybe the single worst hand of poker ever played, $100 NL
 

Button is crzylgsjaxon, 26/20/1.5 over about 700 hands. He might be 2p2?, i'm not really sure. The main issue is that he's 3-betting an utg raiser that is unkown to me, so I'm not at all sure about his range here. Looking back at this hand, this looks a lot more like AK than AA/KK.

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No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.50/$1
6 players
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Stack sizes:
UTG: $96
UTG+1: $45.05
CO: $114.05
Button: $107.35
SB: $183.65
Hero: $101

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is BB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
<font color="#cc0000">UTG raises to $4</font>, UTG+1 folds, <font color="#cc0000">CO raises to $14</font>, 2 folds, Hero calls, UTG calls.

Flop: 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($42.5, 3 players)
Hero checks, UTG checks, <font color="#cc0000">CO is all-in $100.05</font>, Hero folds, UTG folds.
Uncalled bets: $100.05 returned to CO.

Results:
Final pot: $42.5

Re: Maybe the single worst hand of poker ever played, $100 NL
 

This is a very weird hand. PF is okay with UTG being unknown, and the flop = WTF? I put him on overcards + diamonds, but who knows? Maybe AJ? I'd probably call although UTG makes me a little nervous because I don't really see him playing anything that beats QQ like this.

Re: Maybe the single worst hand of poker ever played, $100 NL
 

You'll see AA/KK plenty often given that its a 3-way pot and he reraised an UTG. I don't mind this fold.

Re: Maybe the single worst hand of poker ever played, $100 NL
 

I agree, very strange. I hate calling pf w/ QQ here but raising isnt so special if just called. He either has diamonds or and overpair. AJ maybe. I don't like it. I'd be fine dumping this especially w/ UTG still in hand.

Re: Maybe the single worst hand of poker ever played, $100 NL
 

If your folding this on a J high flop should you fold preflop if you would also fold 55 here?
I don't think you are really getting odds to play for a set and there are the times you lose the 14 without seeing a flop when UTG 4bets and you have to fold.

Re: Maybe the single worst hand of poker ever played, $100 NL
 

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If your folding this on a J high flop should you fold preflop if you would also fold 55 here?

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This is bad logic. He isn't going to overbet shove this flop into 2 players with all of his 3-betting hands.

Re: Maybe the single worst hand of poker ever played, $100 NL
 

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If your folding this on a J high flop should you fold preflop if you would also fold 55 here?

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This is bad logic. He isn't going to overbet shove this flop into 2 players with all of his 3-betting hands.

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So we call and hope he bets something like 2/3 pot on this flop so we can push him in? Or bet when checked to and...fold (or call?) a c/r?

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If your folding this on a J high flop should you fold preflop if you would also fold 55 here?

[/ QUOTE ]This is bad logic. He isn't going to overbet shove this flop into 2 players with all of his 3-betting hands.

[/ QUOTE ] So we call and hope he bets something like 2/3 pot on this flop so we can push him in? Or bet when checked to and...fold (or call?) a c/r?

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I think I fold if he bets 2/3 pot plus. That's pretty strong in a reraised pot with two other players on this board. Anybody object to that?

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If your folding this on a J high flop should you fold preflop if you would also fold 55 here?

[/ QUOTE ]This is bad logic. He isn't going to overbet shove this flop into 2 players with all of his 3-betting hands.

[/ QUOTE ] So we call and hope he bets something like 2/3 pot on this flop so we can push him in? Or bet when checked to and...fold (or call?) a c/r?

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I think I fold if he bets 2/3 pot plus. That's pretty strong in a reraised pot with two other players on this board. Anyboy object to that?

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Well I kind of agree with newbie above...I think if we aren't wanting to get it in here, and we're even folding to a cbet on this flop, we should fold pf. Seems like I recall reading similar threads on this spot recently with that conclusion. Not sure about the 'bad logic' Isura mentions...but maybe additional discussion could clarify things...

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If your folding this on a J high flop should you fold preflop if you would also fold 55 here?


[/ QUOTE ] This is bad logic. He isn't going to overbet shove this flop into 2 players with all of his 3-betting hands.


[/ QUOTE ] So we call and hope he bets something like 2/3 pot on this flop so we can push him in? Or bet when checked to and...fold (or call?) a c/r?

[/ QUOTE ] I think I fold if he bets 2/3 pot plus. That's pretty strong in a reraised pot with two other players on this board. Anyboy object to that?

[/ QUOTE ] Well I kind of agree with newbie above...I think if we aren't wanting to get it in here, and we're even folding to a cbet on this flop, we should fold pf. Seems like I recall reading similar threads on this spot recently with that conclusion. Not sure about the 'bad logic' Isura mentions...but maybe additional discussion could clarify things...

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I guess I just feel like he's checking behind with the weaker part of his range given two people calling his 3-bet, one calling it cold. I'm pretty sure villain knows my range is very tight here.