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Old 02-22-2007, 07:16 AM
HoneyBadger HoneyBadger is offline
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Default Am I such a terrible player, or are they so lucky?

I'm really beginning to wonder if I even know how this game is played... Thoughts?

$2/4 6max stars, 15k hands: Down 300 BB.

Stats: 24.4 / 17.6 / 3.1
Saw Flop: 26.6%
AF f/t/r: 3.5 / 3.5 / 1.9

Att. Steal: 30.3%
Folded SB/BB: 82% / 64.4%

WSD: 34%
W$SD: 49% (getting my arse kicked, this used to be 54%)
BB/100: -2.0
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Old 02-22-2007, 07:57 AM
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Default Re: Am I such a terrible player, or are they so lucky?

Folded BB to steal is WAY to high. This should be more like 40-55% ( depending on your postflop skills ).

The other stats are OK if you're playing a rather agressive style.

However, stats can easily veil your skill...noone can tell you for sure if you're a winnign player wihtout going trough hand histories.
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Old 02-22-2007, 08:29 AM
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Default Re: Am I such a terrible player, or are they so lucky?

Imo 64% is not "way" too high, rather 40% is too low for most players. I agree it could be a bit lower, somewhere between 55 and 60. That alone shouldn't matter too much I think. (not trying to be an arse though, thanks for the input. Just giving my opinion.)

Well, it's really just a check-up for 6max. I recently moved; my post flop skill is pretty good imo, was consistently beating 5/10 FR. My biggest problem seems to be the many horrible players at 2/4 6max... for some reason I'm having a hard time playing the maniacs. If I fold they bluff, and if I call they either have the goods, or hit a 3 outer.
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Old 02-22-2007, 08:40 AM
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Default Re: Am I such a terrible player, or are they so lucky?

Well, if you feel comfortable with 60% folded BB to steal nothing can be done about this, however limits your winrate, especially against these manaics that will pay of if you hit big with ratehr speculative defending hands.

About 2 months ago I lost 300BB in less than 2500 hands and I really considered to quit, but then decided to get some private coaching only to be told it was just a horrible run and the downswing stopped right after that.
I also expierenced break even streaks of several 10k hands in games that I should have beaten by at least 2BB/100.

So it's really nothing uncommon. Maybe you should get some coaching to get more confidence in your play, but variance in SH can be cruel sometimes. No matter how often you hear it, you underestimate it before starting to play SH.
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Old 02-22-2007, 05:42 PM
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Default Re: Am I such a terrible player, or are they so lucky?

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Imo 64% is not "way" too high, rather 40% is too low for most players. I agree it could be a bit lower, somewhere between 55 and 60. That alone shouldn't matter too much I think. (not trying to be an arse though, thanks for the input. Just giving my opinion.)

Well, it's really just a check-up for 6max. I recently moved; my post flop skill is pretty good imo, was consistently beating 5/10 FR. My biggest problem seems to be the many horrible players at 2/4 6max... for some reason I'm having a hard time playing the maniacs. If I fold they bluff, and if I call they either have the goods, or hit a 3 outer.

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I've won very nicely at 5/10 and 10/20 over 200K hands with a fold figure of 37%. You asked for advice and then criticized someone who gave you it! It matters a lot. And to repeat. It matters a lot.

The 10/20 superbots who killed the game had a fold figure of 21%.

Oh, and good players can beat horrible players or they aren't good players!
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Old 02-22-2007, 09:16 AM
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Default Re: Am I such a terrible player, or are they so lucky?

imo your aggression numbers are way too high. don't be afraid to call.
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Old 02-22-2007, 09:25 AM
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Default Re: Am I such a terrible player, or are they so lucky?

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imo your aggression numbers are way too high. don't be afraid to call.

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Yes, especially on the turn, and maybe even on the river.
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Old 02-22-2007, 09:26 AM
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Default Re: Am I such a terrible player, or are they so lucky?

Your AF's on the flop and turn are too high, you're probably getting people to fold their hands too often and letting them keep raising you when you're beat.

You fold your BB a little too often as well IMO.

In addition to this your WTSD/W$SD obviously suggests that you're running cold.
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Old 02-22-2007, 09:27 AM
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Default Re: Am I such a terrible player, or are they so lucky?

Running bad is an issue. It will turn around.

That said I agree with PBob. Try and be less aggresive and call more. Your WTSD is a tad low IMO for a 24/17 player.

I would def steal more. 30 ATSB is too low IMO.

Personally I defend more - I fold around 45%. But I agree that adding that last 10-15% is not a huge issue. At higher stakes its prolly more of a problem.

Oh, and raise T9s UTG [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]
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Old 02-22-2007, 09:38 AM
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Default Re: Am I such a terrible player, or are they so lucky?

Yeah, that could be a bit of a problem. I don't generally slowplay, so with good hands I might raise people out, while folding a lot of other hands. I might be slightly too tight postflop as I'm used to these tight FR games. Perhaps giving people too much credit for their hands.

I'm changing my blind play (I constantly change things, so the numbers can be a bit off at times). Defending more, but I have the feeling I already steal pretty much. There's no point in stealing someone with 0% folded-to-steal with a hand like T6 is there? I think I'm stealing any ace, K6+, Q7+, J8+, T9, and any pocket pair. Something like that. Is that too little?

Hehe, I do raise T9s UTG at times. I always think of you then and telling myself "great, post things and then don't do it" [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]
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