What is the general rule for showing just one card?

[KSOT]

The last time I was in a card room I flashed someone my ace after they folded. A woman sitting next to me demanded to see my other card cause "it's the rules." I didn't really care so I flipped up my other card for all to see and then mucked both of them.

I was just wondering if she was right or not. If so, what's to stop a player from mucking one card then showing the other?

[bblock99]

I'm pretty sure that if no one called your bet, that you don't have to show both cards if you don't want to. I'm sure someone else will correct me if I'm wrong.

[aal113086]

even if it is a rule to show both just throw one card in the muck then show the one card and theres nothing anyone can do about it

[youtalkfunny]

The general rule: No, you don't have to show it.

But many cardrooms are changing this rule, including one I played in the other night. This is not a change I agree with.

In fact, any "house rule" that varies from commonly accepted practice is a very bad idea, no matter how well intentioned. All it does is create confusion among the players and the dealers.

[Photoc]

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But many cardrooms are changing this rule, including one I played in the other night. This is not a change I agree with.



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This is true. I have heard from two different dealers at the WSOP that this is in fact the rule in both cash and tournament games now. Show 1 card, show both.\

Btw this rule sucks ass.

[elena_elphie]

There is a great loophole though. You only have to show the other card if it is "retrievable". So you just muck the second card before you show the first one. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

[Rick Nebiolo]

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In fact, any "house rule" that varies from commonly accepted practice is a very bad idea, no matter how well intentioned. All it does is create confusion among the players and the dealers.

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"Buy the Button" varied from commonly accepted practice, increases action, is a great new rule, and rarely causes confusion.

Anyway, one lead shift manager I recently spoke with said they broadened the classic show one show all rule (meaning show one person information (i.e., your cards), you must show all players the same information) to show one card, you must show both cards. His reasoning was that the practice was often being used to needle or tease an opponent who folded to a bet and wasn't good for the lower limit games, especially the lower limit no limit games.

I thought he had a reasonable point. What would be your counter-argument?

~ Rick

[youtalkfunny]

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His reasoning was that the practice was often being used to needle or tease an opponent who folded to a bet and wasn't good for the lower limit games, especially the lower limit no limit games.

I thought he had a reasonable point. What would be your counter-argument?

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I don't see it as needling. Could you give an example of a player showing one card, in a way to offend/incite somebody?

I see cardrooms put up with the most vulgar trash talk. Of all the things they could do to stop needling, this seems the most misguided.

The only reason I don't like the rule is, it slows down the game, in the same way as the IWTSTH does. Players who couldn't care less what that guy was holding, suddenly sit up in their chairs, and cry, "IWTSTH! He opened the door to my right to see it, so I want to see it! Dealer, stop the game, and turn up his cards!" THIS creates far more ill will at the table, than any alleged "needle" that showing a single card could ever create.

[psandman]

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In fact, any "house rule" that varies from commonly accepted practice is a very bad idea, no matter how well intentioned. All it does is create confusion among the players and the dealers.

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"Buy the Button" varied from commonly accepted practice, increases action, is a great new rule, and rarely causes confusion.

Anyway, one lead shift manager I recently spoke with said they broadened the classic show one show all rule (meaning show one person information (i.e., your cards), you must show all players the same information) to show one card, you must show both cards. His reasoning was that the practice was often being used to needle or tease an opponent who folded to a bet and wasn't good for the lower limit games, especially the lower limit no limit games.

I thought he had a reasonable point. What would be your counter-argument?

~ Rick

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The counter-argument is that this sort of needling is really gamesmanship and part of the game. If needling another player is to be prohibited, then you should also make illegal to show a player that you bluffed him out of a pot. After all isn't showing two cards in that situation also needling or teasing?

[KenProspero]

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His reasoning was that the practice was often being used to needle or tease an opponent who folded to a bet and wasn't good for the lower limit games, especially the lower limit no limit games.

I thought he had a reasonable point. What would be your counter-argument?

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ummmmmmmmmm .... it's poker, not old maid. Needling your opponent, within reason, or otherwise getting messing with his/her mind (if you're good enough to do this) is a part of the game. Shouldn't matter whether it's low limit or high stakes.