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Old 05-10-2007, 08:49 PM
luckychewy luckychewy is offline
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Default 109r top pair monotone flop hand

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t200 (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Hero (t12500)
CO (t6745)
Button (t8970)
SB (t27605)
BB (t17345)
UTG (t16000)
UTG+1 (t8725)
MP1 (t11500)
MP2 (t6687)

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t600</font>, CO calls t600, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, SB calls t500, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>.

Flop: (t2000) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
SB checks, Hero ??

no reads..for the sake of argument, if we check co bets 2k.
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Old 05-10-2007, 08:51 PM
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Default Re: 109r top pair monotone flop hand

Gross, i don't know how to play this, so i'm gonna wait for others to respond then pretend i've been thinking along the same line the whole time.
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Old 05-10-2007, 08:59 PM
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Default Re: 109r top pair monotone flop hand

c/r all in is feeling sexy
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Old 05-10-2007, 09:01 PM
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Default Re: 109r top pair monotone flop hand

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c/r all in is feeling sexy

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soooo hoooot...
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Old 05-10-2007, 09:03 PM
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Default Re: 109r top pair monotone flop hand

CO bets 2k, so SB folds? I'm either dumping or playing this really fast and shoving, problem is any over pair with a spade is not folding. This looks like a spot to eject, you will find much better spots to chip up.

FWIW, if we shove, villain will be getting 2:1 on his money. FE is very limited.
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Old 05-10-2007, 09:04 PM
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CO bets 2k, so SB folds? I'm either dumping or playing this really fast and shoving, problem is any over pair with a spade is not folding. This looks like a spot to eject, you will find much better spots to chip up.

[/ QUOTE ]in the 109r? take any edge you can get.... horrible logic
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Old 05-10-2007, 09:07 PM
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Default Re: 109r top pair monotone flop hand

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CO bets 2k, so SB folds? I'm either dumping or playing this really fast and shoving, problem is any over pair with a spade is not folding. This looks like a spot to eject, you will find much better spots to chip up.

[/ QUOTE ]in the 109r? take any edge you can get.... horrible logic

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You have nearly ZERO FE. (Villain just bet pot for 1/3 of his stack).

Villain's range roughly from the CO with 34bb stack is most pairs we'll say 55+, (possibly tighter, but since he has position, this seems reasonable), AJs+, AQo+ and maybe a small percentage of SC's. We are only ahead of a small portion of villain's range and a lot of his range has us either flipping to 12 to 15 out maybe more. some chance we are drawing almost dead and again we have nearly ZERO FE to his range. About the only thing we are in really good shape against is overs without a spade. Is villain ballsy enough to bet 1/3 of his stack in a raised pot on this dangerous of a flop with 2 hearts?
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Old 05-10-2007, 09:07 PM
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problem is any over pair with a spade is not folding.

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Overpair with a spade is a comprises a tiny portion of his range given our current information. He cold called preflop and potted the flop, I think a set is more likely.
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Old 05-10-2007, 09:05 PM
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c/r all in is feeling sexy

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Yea, thats about what i was thinking.
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Old 05-11-2007, 03:36 PM
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I like to lead out at this pot for ~1400. If you get cold called by either player I'm probably shutting down against the CO and playing pot control v the SB. If CO shoves over the top then I think you have a decision to make but I lean towards folding as there are not too many hands he can shove you with that you are very far ahead of.

I dont really like c/r here as any hand that calls you, probably either has you buried, or is likely a 50/50.

I personally am not putting 1/2 my stack here at risk and turning a blind steal into possible disaster.

Based on your hypothetical of checking and the CO pots it, I prefer a stop n go here if I am going to proceed than a c/r where I think our FE is slim. If he has AsX you get called here as a 50/50 but may possibly get a fold on the turn with 1 card to come if he doesnt improve.
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