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luckychewy 05-10-2007 08:49 PM

109r top pair monotone flop hand
 
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t200 (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Hero (t12500)
CO (t6745)
Button (t8970)
SB (t27605)
BB (t17345)
UTG (t16000)
UTG+1 (t8725)
MP1 (t11500)
MP2 (t6687)

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t600</font>, CO calls t600, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, SB calls t500, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>.

Flop: (t2000) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
SB checks, Hero ??

no reads..for the sake of argument, if we check co bets 2k.

Bond18 05-10-2007 08:51 PM

Re: 109r top pair monotone flop hand
 
Gross, i don't know how to play this, so i'm gonna wait for others to respond then pretend i've been thinking along the same line the whole time.

bigballz 05-10-2007 08:59 PM

Re: 109r top pair monotone flop hand
 
c/r all in is feeling sexy

grafyx 05-10-2007 09:01 PM

Re: 109r top pair monotone flop hand
 
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c/r all in is feeling sexy

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soooo hoooot...

rockin 05-10-2007 09:03 PM

Re: 109r top pair monotone flop hand
 
CO bets 2k, so SB folds? I'm either dumping or playing this really fast and shoving, problem is any over pair with a spade is not folding. This looks like a spot to eject, you will find much better spots to chip up.

FWIW, if we shove, villain will be getting 2:1 on his money. FE is very limited.

bigballz 05-10-2007 09:04 PM

Re: 109r top pair monotone flop hand
 
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CO bets 2k, so SB folds? I'm either dumping or playing this really fast and shoving, problem is any over pair with a spade is not folding. This looks like a spot to eject, you will find much better spots to chip up.

[/ QUOTE ]in the 109r? take any edge you can get.... horrible logic

Bond18 05-10-2007 09:05 PM

Re: 109r top pair monotone flop hand
 
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c/r all in is feeling sexy

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Yea, thats about what i was thinking.

grafyx 05-10-2007 09:07 PM

Re: 109r top pair monotone flop hand
 
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problem is any over pair with a spade is not folding.

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Overpair with a spade is a comprises a tiny portion of his range given our current information. He cold called preflop and potted the flop, I think a set is more likely.

rockin 05-10-2007 09:07 PM

Re: 109r top pair monotone flop hand
 
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CO bets 2k, so SB folds? I'm either dumping or playing this really fast and shoving, problem is any over pair with a spade is not folding. This looks like a spot to eject, you will find much better spots to chip up.

[/ QUOTE ]in the 109r? take any edge you can get.... horrible logic

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You have nearly ZERO FE. (Villain just bet pot for 1/3 of his stack).

Villain's range roughly from the CO with 34bb stack is most pairs we'll say 55+, (possibly tighter, but since he has position, this seems reasonable), AJs+, AQo+ and maybe a small percentage of SC's. We are only ahead of a small portion of villain's range and a lot of his range has us either flipping to 12 to 15 out maybe more. some chance we are drawing almost dead and again we have nearly ZERO FE to his range. About the only thing we are in really good shape against is overs without a spade. Is villain ballsy enough to bet 1/3 of his stack in a raised pot on this dangerous of a flop with 2 hearts?

grafyx 05-11-2007 12:44 AM

Re: 109r top pair monotone flop hand
 
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CO bets 2k, so SB folds? I'm either dumping or playing this really fast and shoving, problem is any over pair with a spade is not folding. This looks like a spot to eject, you will find much better spots to chip up.

[/ QUOTE ]in the 109r? take any edge you can get.... horrible logic

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You have nearly ZERO FE. (Villain just bet pot for 1/3 of his stack).


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If he never folds, then CRAI is probably bad since we would need 43% equity vs his range.


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