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A very common scenario I am having trouble with looks something like this:
Blinds 300/600 Hero 2300 Button 5900 SB 5900 BB 5900 Hero is CO with 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 3 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Is there anybody who would not make this extremly -$EV Push? I am interessted if you rather fold and let the blinds hit you and take a gamble where you don't have FE but a better chance for winning because of a better hand. I am thinking that <font color="red">keeping FE is the most important job</font> while playing a SNG. How short do you have to be to push UTG with ATC? I guess for me it is 4 BB. That means that whenever you are UTG and have <4 BB's it's an autopush?!?!? Obviously there are exceptions: When somebody is shorter than you on the bubble or nearly everybody is as short as you! I would love to hear your opinions. |
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ATC here is standard. I ran this a situation exactly like this in sngpt earlier today. 4 BB rule when shorty is pretty accurate I think.
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I ran this a situation exactly like this in sngpt earlier today. [/ QUOTE ] Yes... What where your results. I am not too sure if I get what you want to tell me with this answer [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img] Would be great if you could explain what you meant. I ran this in SNGWiz, but even when you turn on the "Simulate Future Games" option it is still not recommending pushing ATC. I know that you sometimes need to make -EV pushed but I thought the SimulateFut.Games option would be helpful for exactly these kind of problems. |
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sngpt said against slightly loose call ranges, pushing ATC when 4 BB or less UTG is +ev on bbl. I ran pretty much an identical situation using stars structure w/ antes. I think taking a slightly -ev shove is better than having a worse situation occur where you have like 1/3rd or 1/4th of your stack in the BB and have to call light anyways. So taking a -ev shove w/ FE to avoid further -ev calls/shoves w/ no FE is better.
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Hmm in this particular case i think calling ATC allin next hand would be more ev..
I dont think bb folds much - he needs to pay 1700 to win 3200 pot and get to the money, he knows ur very wide etc. |
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Hmm in this particular case i think calling ATC allin next hand would be more ev.. [/ QUOTE ] This cannot be correct. You have zero FE when calling. |
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Sngpt said against slightly loose call ranges, pushing ATC when 4 BB or less UTG is +ev on bbl. [/ QUOTE ] This is really interessting. I am sorry that I need to bother you again, but are SNGWiz and SNGPT any different? If not, why are you getting a +EV result and I am not? I mean they are based on the same mathematical basics (ICM)! Any explanation? |
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I don't know why the discrepancy occurs, might have to do with the simulate future thingy.
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I fold this, as I think you will get called enough and running this through sngwiz and sngpt seems to agree with me. Settings are complicated in sngwiz, cause you have to account for other players shoving ranges if you fold, + their calling ranges vs each other, overcalls, etc, but on a reasonable range I have this push being -1.65%. Thats pretty horrible for a shove. I get similar results in SNGPT under reasonable ranges. Obv we're just trying to decide if this is a better spot with whatever perceived fold equity that we have than calling a shove or facing a community pot in the bb this hand, or in the event that we fold, in the sb the next hand (or shoving any 2 when we're in the SB if folded to), or waiting 2 more hands to get it all in before getting ganged up on at the bubble. I can't speak for high buyin regs, but at < 27$ I've seen enough donk play on the bubble to think that it can be advantageous to let your donk opponents on the bubble call a shove with AQo vs TT and off each other-- I don't know how to calculate "donk equity" in sngwiz as of yet.
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This is a very open-ended question - here I'm shoving ATC because the opposition stacks are so even and the blinds will pwn our FE, but it's getting close to the highest stack size I would do. I might go up to 4.5. If there's someone with a similar or shorter stack it's an entirely different question and I'd probably muck by default.
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