Placing you in opponent's seat....

Thinkards · #1 03-19-2007, 10:35 PM

For this scenario, you will play the hand from the seat of my opponent. As in my post from two nights ago, I am curious as to how people think about and analyze particular hands as they are unfolding.

The tournament is the final round of the $300 modified shootout at the foxwoods poker classic.

Blinds are T50/T100, and average stack is about T5,700.

You have around T9,000, and I have around T6,300.

So far, I have been playing relatively tightly, and have shown good aggression when I feel my hand is best. I also have reraised you on one occasion preflop, and you folded. Neither of us showed our cards in that instance.

One limper, and you raise to T300 from late position with 9s 9c.

I reraise to T900.

Folded back to you. You think for a moment, and make it T2,500.

I declare myself all-in.

Do you:

a. Fold your cards face up?

b. Turn your cards over in order to try to get a reaction from me as to the relative strength of our hands?

c. Insta-call?

When answering this question, please include thought processes and reasoning regarding what you believe I might be holding.

Thank you, and am looking forward to your comments.

TK

bucktotal · #2 03-19-2007, 11:00 PM

so. its t3800 to call into a t9000 pot?

i guess i'd put u on QQ+/AK. its a close call against that range. but i also wouldnt have 3-bet to t2500 if i wasnt calling a push, so i dont know what to say about that.

Bakedd · #3 03-19-2007, 11:21 PM

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i also wouldnt have 3-bet to t2500 if i wasnt calling a push, so i dont know what to say about that.

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BigAlK · #4 03-20-2007, 12:26 AM

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i also wouldnt have 3-bet to t2500 if i wasnt calling a push, so i dont know what to say about that.

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My thoughts as well. I wondered "why did I do that." Now that I'm apparently folding I muck the cards and say "nice hand sir." I don't want you to know what I had.

Thinkards · #5 03-20-2007, 03:18 AM

Thus far, the only people who have responded to this post have indicated they would not have re-raised to t2,500 if they were not planning to call a push. The question then becomes whether my initial re-raise demonstrated sufficient strength to make one reconsider whether the pocket 9's were in fact the best hand. Obviously, when my opponent popped it to t2,500, he thought his pair was good.

Does anyone here believe my second re-raise is a desperate attempt to steal, or is there a chance that such action announces a good hand? And, if you decide my second re-raise says a higher pair, are you really getting the right price to call?

Once again, am looking forward to the analyses.

TK

DeuceSeven · #6 03-20-2007, 04:41 AM

If you seem to know what you're doing you might think I'm stealing with Ax, any 2 broadway, PP, or any connector. I would put you on AT+, KQ, 66+ which is hardly a desperate attempt to steal. I like to play flops, so I would call your 3 bet which should be scarier for you then a reraise and play post flop poker with position while also keeping the pot small. Any kind of 4 bet is gonna pot commit me to calling a push from you so I'd like to see a flop.

As played villain didn't play too badly, just differently then I do his 3 bet isn't horrible especially since 99 doesn't play real well post flop and you're only shoving with the bigger hands that are killing him (AA, KK, QQ) and the others that are flipping (AK, maybe AQ).

EDIT: As far as your question: C) I instacall then puke and wonder why I got myself pot committed with 99.

Cablelessray · #7 03-20-2007, 05:44 AM

i raise to 400. at this point i don't care what you have

if that is the case i assume you raise to 1200 instead of 900?? at this point i flat call for a flop since it's a live tourney and i'm thinking i can deff outplay you post flop, even with a hand like 99 (i put you on a range of ATs+, AJ+, 99+, 10% bluff chance, and you are in a strange spot out of position with about 2x the pot and would hate to push AK on a blank flop). as you type that i'm in late position but don't say where you are, so i'll assume you are the SB or BB) at this point i think i'm in control of the hand unless you are a stone with no tells (zeejustin style).

but that's just me.

if i get to where this villain is (which i wouldn't), i'm choosing
d) folding face down cause i'm annoyed i had to lay down 99 to your possible AK as i probably put you on QQ+,AK... and i think i'm better off out playing the tourney later than standing here to stack you and leave myself with t2,700.

DeuceSeven · #8 03-21-2007, 02:16 AM

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If you seem to know what you're doing you might think I'm stealing with Ax, any 2 broadway, PP, or any connector. I would put you on AT+, KQ, 66+ which is hardly a desperate attempt to steal. I like to play flops, so I would call your 3 bet which should be scarier for you then a reraise and play post flop poker with position while also keeping the pot small. Any kind of 4 bet is gonna pot commit me to calling a push from you so I'd like to see a flop.

As played villain didn't play too badly, just differently then I do his 3 bet isn't horrible especially since 99 doesn't play real well post flop and you're only shoving with the bigger hands that are killing him (AA, KK, QQ) and the others that are flipping (AK, maybe AQ).

EDIT: As far as your question: C) I instacall then puke and wonder why I got myself pot committed with 99.

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Oops I thought you were in one of the blinds. I would change your reraising range and whether I call or fold to your 3 bet depending on what position you are. To answer your question, I still call, but I try not to put myself in bad spots like this.

Thinkards · #9 03-20-2007, 08:48 AM

Some people have noted that I did not reveal my position relative to yours. Because I have declared myself to be all-in, it did not seem to me that position is any longer an issue, since there will be no more betting if you decide to call. However, for the sake of completeness, I began the hand in the cutoff, and you were one seat to my right.

The responses have been interesting so far, and am looking forward to reading more of them.

TK

BarryLyndon · #10 03-20-2007, 12:25 PM

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Some people have noted that I did not reveal my position relative to yours. Because I have declared myself to be all-in, it did not seem to me that position is any longer an issue, since there will be no more betting if you decide to call. However, for the sake of completeness, I began the hand in the cutoff, and you were one seat to my right.

The responses have been interesting so far, and am looking forward to reading more of them.

TK

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It's not just "for the sake of completeness." Terrible. That's like saying "Yeah, I raised and there was a push, so, it really doesn't matter if I raised UTG or CO or button." C'mon.

Where was the limper? EP, MP, Pluto?

This has the potential to be a very interesting post if it actually utilized the art of providing complete information.

As played, the limper and how he has played is pretty important. If limper is tight pre + CO knows this (I assume he does), then I may just limp in. If limper is a loose passive or not that tight, then I would raise to 400 (not 300), then if CO repops me, I have to make a decision. I think my decision would be to CR if I feel that he could fold 1010, JJ, or AQ/AK [which I think he can). I would bet a little more to make it apparent that I was committed with this hand.