Settle a Bet, Please

[LinusKS]

Help Settle A Bet

Last week my friend and I got into an argument about whether Sanjaya would be eliminated on American Idol. Since I knew he wasn’t going home, I laid him odds.

Only, it turned out they were eliminating only the bottom two, not the bottom three. Our bet had been over whether Sanjaya would be in the bottom three.

The following IM conversation ensued. I highlighted the important parts.

ME (2/22/2007 7:19:21 PM): hey
ME (2/22/2007 7:19:26 PM): you're freerolling me
ME (2/22/2007 7:19:28 PM): goddammit
HIM(2/22/2007 7:19:45 PM): ?
ME (2/22/2007 7:20:04 PM): they're not going to give us a bottom three
HIM(2/22/2007 7:20:11 PM): uh
ME (2/22/2007 7:20:12 PM): which means
HIM(2/22/2007 7:20:14 PM): not watching yet
HIM(2/22/2007 7:20:19 PM): what are they doing
ME (2/22/2007 7:20:20 PM): you're not going to pay me
HIM(2/22/2007 7:20:21 PM): i mean
ME (2/22/2007 7:20:22 PM): if i win
ME (2/22/2007 7:20:24 PM): but
ME (2/22/2007 7:20:29 PM): if my guys in the bottom two
HIM(2/22/2007 7:20:30 PM): from a "who sucks" perspective
ME (2/22/2007 7:20:35 PM): you'll want to get paid
HIM (2/22/2007 7:20:38 PM): oh only bottom 2
ME (2/22/2007 7:20:58 PM): we gotta cancel the bet
ME (2/22/2007 7:21:04 PM): unless you want to change it
HIM(2/22/2007 7:21:12 PM): well im not watching
me (2/22/2007 7:21:19 PM): youre telliung me theyre only announcinc the bottom 2
ME (2/22/2007 7:21:26 PM): yeah
ME (2/22/2007 7:21:30 PM): that's what it looks like
HIM(2/22/2007 7:21:44 PM): i want to go on record by the way
HIM(2/22/2007 7:22:05 PM): as saying i dont think we gotta cancel the bet; i disagree (just for the record, willing still to discuss tho)
ME (2/22/2007 7:22:14 PM): uh
ME (2/22/2007 7:22:21 PM): how can i win this bet
ME (2/22/2007 7:22:30 PM): if they don't say who the 3rd worst is
HIM(2/22/2007 7:22:51 PM): i think we can both agree that hes at least 3rd worse, and therefore you owe me the 10
ME (2/22/2007 7:22:56 PM): ha
ME (2/22/2007 7:22:58 PM): well
ME (2/22/2007 7:23:03 PM): i gotta cancel then because
ME (2/22/2007 7:23:09 PM): it's going to come back on soon
HIM(2/22/2007 7:23:11 PM): you cant cancel unilaterally
HIM(2/22/2007 7:23:14 PM): well pause goddamit
HIM(2/22/2007 7:23:18 PM): you got dvr
HIM(2/22/2007 7:23:31 PM): i need waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay betta odds
ME (2/22/2007 7:23:43 PM): it's paused
ME (2/22/2007 7:23:44 PM): but
HIM(2/22/2007 7:23:46 PM): ill do 20-6 thats still way above your random chance of 25%
ME (2/22/2007 7:23:51 PM): beth's patience is limited
HIM(2/22/2007 7:24:00 PM): and you think hes better than average, at least in likeabilityt
HIM(2/22/2007 7:24:06 PM): i mean 20-6 for bottom 2
HIM(2/22/2007 7:24:24 PM): or 10-6, if for some reason they end up announcing bottom 3
HIM(2/22/2007 7:24:30 PM): hey ask her, dont they USUALLY do bottom 3?
HIM(2/22/2007 7:25:12 PM): are you watching dammit
ME (2/22/2007 7:25:12 PM): she doesn't know
HIM(2/22/2007 7:25:22 PM): cheater
ME (2/22/2007 7:25:33 PM): it's ok they're doing girlsw now
HIM(2/22/2007 7:25:42 PM): ok i withdraw my 20-6 offer
HIM(2/22/2007 7:25:47 PM): you didnt accept and it seems too good
HIM(2/22/2007 7:25:49 PM): 1/6 chance
ME (2/22/2007 7:26:01 PM): 5:15
HIM(2/22/2007 7:26:08 PM): lol
HIM(2/22/2007 7:26:11 PM): youre making it WORSE
HIM(2/22/2007 7:26:13 PM): for me
HIM(2/22/2007 7:26:16 PM): im not an idiot
HIM(2/22/2007 7:26:21 PM): i know YOU cant do math, but i can
ME (2/22/2007 7:26:21 PM): uh
ME (2/22/2007 7:26:37 PM): it was 6:10
HIM(2/22/2007 7:26:42 PM): no for bottom 2 moron
HIM(2/22/2007 7:26:48 PM): that makes it harder for me to win
ME (2/22/2007 7:26:52 PM): how is 5:15 worse than 6:10
HIM(2/22/2007 7:27:07 PM): its worse thatn the uber genrous 6-20 for bottom 2 that i offered
HIM(2/22/2007 7:27:19 PM): fine i accept, 6-10 for bottom 3 [censored] you then
HIM(2/22/2007 7:27:31 PM): since 6-10 for bottom 3 is better for you apparently
HIM(2/22/2007 7:27:36 PM): thanks for the freeroll
ME (2/22/2007 7:27:41 PM): ha
HIM(2/22/2007 7:27:53 PM): fine, now you agreee random its 1/6
HIM(2/22/2007 7:27:58 PM): that would be 6/36
ME (2/22/2007 7:28:11 PM): eue3
ME (2/22/2007 7:28:13 PM): dude
HIM(2/22/2007 7:28:13 PM): i canceled my offer of 6/20, i offer you 6/30
ME (2/22/2007 7:28:16 PM): it's 1:5
HIM(2/22/2007 7:28:35 PM): ok you accept 6/30 then
HIM(2/22/2007 7:28:38 PM): thats 1:5
HIM(2/22/2007 7:28:46 PM): and you think hes better than average
HIM(2/22/2007 7:28:49 PM): i offer 6/30
HIM(2/22/2007 7:28:55 PM): or 10/50 your choice
ME (2/22/2007 7:28:58 PM): eh
HIM(2/22/2007 7:29:04 PM): goddamit i cant stay here forever
ME (2/22/2007 7:29:38 PM): i want the value of the bargain
ME (2/22/2007 7:29:41 PM): i was getting
HIM(2/22/2007 7:29:48 PM): also, you are not making any serious counter offers, you are only retarded-ly making comparisons to when it was bottom 3
HIM(2/22/2007 7:29:52 PM): no
HIM(2/22/2007 7:29:56 PM): bottom 2 MUCH harder
ME (2/22/2007 7:30:17 PM): 5:20
HIM(2/22/2007 7:30:19 PM): because fatso bearded boiled guy is gonna be one of bottom 2
HIM(2/22/2007 7:30:23 PM): no way
HIM(2/22/2007 7:30:32 PM): there are too many serious contenders
HIM(2/22/2007 7:30:33 PM): no deal
HIM(2/22/2007 7:30:45 PM): serious contenders for suckwad of the nite that is
HIM(2/22/2007 7:31:13 PM): deal off, unless they somehow announce bottom 3, in which case old deal still in place
ME (2/22/2007 7:31:26 PM): ok

Before announcing the final elimination, Ryan announced that one of the contestants was in the top 4, the other was going home. Sanjaya stayed; the goober standing next to him went home.

So who wins?

[smbruin22]

bet is with a friend.... seems like it may have been predicated on sanjaya being bottom 3... him standing at end with AJ does NOT mean he was bottom 3, unless i missed a seacrest comment.

FWIW, antonella and sanjaya seem to be their chosen ones for artificially stressful situations.

[applejuicekid]

You win. They announced that he wasn't in the bottom 3. That's what you guys were betting on. If they said one of you is in the bottom 3 and the other is going home you would have lost. They made it pretty clear that he wasn't in the bottom 3.

[llabb]

Bet is off, as you are both morons for betting on B3 when there was no B3, and you should know this if you are going to bet on it.

It depends on the exact wording of the bet, also. If you bet on B3, there was no B3 to bet on or to judge a bet by, so there is no possible way you can settle or even have a bet on this. If you think you can, then we might as well bet on whether the unicorns or the leprechauns won the Superbowl last month.

Also, for the future, starting with T12, if you make B3 prop bets, it should be only on who is standing there for the B3. They say or imply other things sometimes, but it's often vague, and/or they may put someone B3 who's not, just for drama, without explicitly stating so. When you make a B3 wager, you are betting on who will be standing next to Ryan at the end, on the chopping block for elimination, whether they explicitly say you are in the bottom 3 of actual votes or not.

[applejuicekid]

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It depends on the exact wording of the bet, also.

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I think the exact wording of the bet is pretty clear in the convo. The deal is off unless they say if he was in the bottom 3 of votes or not. They said he was 4th overall therefore it was not possible for him to be in the bottom 3. OP wins the bet.

[llabb]

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It depends on the exact wording of the bet, also.

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I think the exact wording of the bet is pretty clear in the convo. The deal is off unless they say if he was in the bottom 3 of votes or not. They said he was 4th overall therefore it was not possible for him to be in the bottom 3. OP wins the bet.

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Talking about exact wording of the original bet, which we don't know. The "clarification" in the convo doesn't help.

"deal off, unless they somehow announce bottom 3, in which case old deal still in place"

They did not announce bottom 3, so technically by this wording, deal is off, regardless of other Seacrest verbiage.

I don't care, don't know either poster, and have no stake in this. Just my thoughts on a prop that was unclear, about an outcome that would not take place.

[smbruin22]

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You win. They announced that he wasn't in the bottom 3.

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when did seacrest say that? i must have missed it, not that i watch that closely, but i don't remember that. (i remember the prior week him saying 4th place)

[revots33]

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when did seacrest say that? i must have missed it, not that i watch that closely, but i don't remember that. (i remember the prior week him saying 4th place)


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I think that's the week the OP is talking about.

[smbruin22]

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I think that's the week the OP is talking about.

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ok, thanks.... very confusing as sanjaya has been been up there at the end when most likely both weeks, he wasn't the next lowest....

sanjaya and antonella are the chosen ones, at least for cheap entertainment.

[smbruin22]

sorry, i keep thinking it's from last night... why wait a week for this??

yeah, if he was top 4, then he wasn't bottom 3... but what was wording of original bet? really depends (and i haven't read every entry since)..... but big misunderstanding i think leans towards NO PLAY.