400NL: Steal, resteal and some too deep of thoughts?

[SirFelixCat]

So, I'm not saying I'm HERO here, but this hand comes from our little study group and I think some interesting thoughts go into this hand though.


Full Tilt Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $2/$4 Blinds - 5 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter)

SB: $428.80
BB: $869.30
UTG: $1,248.10
Hero (CO): $599.60
BTN: $407.40

Preflop: Hero is dealt 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (5 Players)
UTG folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $16.00</font>, BTN folds, <font color="red">SB raises to $54.00</font>, BB folds, Hero calls $38.00


<font color="blue"> Hero has been active and makes a standard raise and Villain is 26/22 and SUPER aggressive... he 3bets. Villain has been 3 betting a LOT and has shown down a couple of huge bluffs in the last 30 mins. Therefore, is it reasonable to think that HERO can call and outplay, in position, postflop? Is calling the 3bet, in position, bad here being 150BB deep? </font>

Flop: ($112) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
SB checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $72.00</font>, <font color="red">SB raises to $255.00</font>, <font color="red">Hero ???</font>

<font color="blue"> On a 2 flush board, what is he c/ring here? The general concensus of our group was that he could be doing this with KK+, TT, AQ, AK or air and that's about it. If that's the case, isn't HERO way ahead of his range and therefore, the best play would be to raise no? FPS or well-thought out? </font>

I just thought this was a really interesting, non-standard hand as opposed to the run-of-the-mill "I have AA and got 3-bet preflop, is it better to 4-bet or call" yadda yadda yadda stuff.

Thoughts fellas?

[shpanko]

why bet the flop?

[SirFelixCat]

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why bet the flop?

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Why not bet the flop?

[shpanko]

do better hands fold? do worse hands call? will you get bluffed off the best hand ever? Does your hand need protection?

So I ask again, why bet the flop?

[SirFelixCat]

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do better hands fold? do worse hands call? will you get bluffed off the best hand ever? Does your hand need protection?

So I ask again, why bet the flop?

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Villain has shown a propensity to 3bet light/bluff. That said, is he really checking a better hand here, giving us the opportunity to check behind w/ a FD or other hand and miss extracting value?

Can villain c/r a hand other than air and the above listed hands? Therefore, we give villain an opportunity to bluff at us and for us to pick it off?

Too FPS or reasonable? Just trying to think outside the box here is all....

[kewl_cph]

Against light 3-bettors I've begun 4-betting more and with reasonable succes.

Some of these light 3-bettors are so FOS and/or just chicken out when you don't fold or call.


You basically turn any hand except AA/KK/AK into a bluff, but against the right opponent it's a profitable play.

In my regular game there's a handfull of players I abuse this way with frequent 4-bets against their 3-bets and squeezes.

[yeesh]

fold preflop. Ax is a horrible hand to call a 3bet with. Only call this 3bet if you think he 3bets so much that Ax is ahead of his 3betting range. If you want to call in position to outplay post flop then choose hands that aren't likely to be dominated.

[fitnessfreak]

this hand is a trainwreck. fold pf, check flop behind. also i hope you realise that along with bigger pp's, alot of the draws he might have, for example KQcc, are ahead of you on the flop. there is so much unnecessary FPS and try hard higher level thinking going on in this hand. try to work on just playing a solid game instead of making clearly -ev preflop calls with dominated hands to try and outplay someone who is going make life very difficult for you.

also, am i tripping or is the HH wrong, because it looks like 100BB effective stacks to me.

[piriformis]

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this hand is a trainwreck. fold pf, check flop behind. also i hope you realise that along with bigger pp's, alot of the draws he might have, for example KQcc, are ahead of you on the flop. there is so much unnecessary FPS and try hard higher level thinking going on in this hand. try to work on just playing a solid game instead of making clearly -ev preflop calls with dominated hands to try and outplay someone who is going make life very difficult for you.

also, am i tripping or is the HH wrong, because it looks like 100BB effective stacks to me.

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QFT.

i like a 4 bet pre if your gonna play. also check flop behind, u could easily have him reverse dominated and win a big pot if an ace drops. the only reason for betting the flop is to protect/find out where u are, and hes prob only drawing to 3 outs anyway IF u are ahead.

[MilkMan]

this hand is fps [censored] but regardless when you bet the flop you better already know what you are doing if you get raised, congrats on putting yourself in a spot where you have a massive likelihood of making a ftop mistake