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Old 10-06-2007, 10:22 PM
Dallas Dru Dallas Dru is offline
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Default why is he betting this much with a made hand?

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SB: $10.30
BB: $8.90
UTG: $9
CO: $15.20
Hero (BTN): $9.75

Pre-Flop: A Q dealt to Hero (BTN)
UTG raises to $0.50, CO folds, Hero raises to $1.65, 2 folds, UTG raises to $2.80, Hero calls $1.15

Flop: ($5.75) 5 8 Q (2 Players)
UTG bets $5.75, Hero calls $5.75
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Old 10-06-2007, 10:24 PM
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Default Re: why is he betting this much with a made hand?

dont really have much on the villain. i am interested to see what some of you guys think about this bet by the villain? on the flop
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Old 10-06-2007, 10:31 PM
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Default Re: why is he betting this much with a made hand?

i would assume KK, AA more times than not unless i had a read on villian
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Old 10-06-2007, 10:34 PM
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Default Re: why is he betting this much with a made hand?

'For value' is the most likely answer to your question
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Old 10-06-2007, 10:36 PM
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Default Re: why is he betting this much with a made hand?

i think a player like this... who is a fairly new player would not make that play
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Old 10-06-2007, 10:40 PM
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Default Re: why is he betting this much with a made hand?

What do you mean 'new'?

It doesn't matter much how much he bets, you're going to be committed most ways

Really I think fold pf with no reads, the min-4-bet at 10NL is not to be taken lightly

And if you did have reads, include them in the OP
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Old 10-07-2007, 12:02 AM
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Default Re: why is he betting this much with a made hand?

The only reasons I could think of are the following:

1. He has AA or KK and is getting it in.

2. He has something like KQs or QJs and is looking to protect that hand (against a spiked Ace or K (if he has QJs), turned two pair, or an fd if the board has 2 of a suit on it) or get value for what he thinks is the best hand (TPGK).

3. He is putting you on AK and he has an underpair to the Q (JJ or TT) and is going to knock you off of your AK. He could also have something like 76s, but I think this is rare given his 4-bet preflop.

4. He has a monster (QQ, 88 or 55) and is going to get it in. This is very rare for 10NL as almost everyone slowplays two pair or better waiting for the turn to raise when there is more money in the pot. Some of the very top 10NL players will play these big hands fast (I say that facetiously because I play big hands like this fast and it is amazingly deceptive and completely baffles the standard 10NL player who usually says something like "Why did you bet so hard on the flop?" once you hit showdown".

We should note that 55 or 88 are somewhat hard to swallow given that villain did 4-bet. But whackier things have happened.
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Old 10-07-2007, 12:05 AM
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Default Re: why is he betting this much with a made hand?

Not being results oriented this is a fold preflop, 9 times out of 10 villians will have AA or KK and are just taking you to town with it.
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Old 10-07-2007, 12:06 AM
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Default Re: why is he betting this much with a made hand?

Everything about this hand reeks AA & KK
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Old 10-07-2007, 12:13 AM
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Default Re: why is he betting this much with a made hand?

insider secret: normally when people bet and raise a lot, its because they have something good.
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