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#1
05-06-2007, 05:16 PM
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Easy Razz fold?
HORSE - Razz ($0.50/$1.00), Ante $0.05, Bring-In $0.25 (converter)
3rd Street - (0.80 SB) Seat 1: xx xx 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___folds Seat 2: xx xx A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___calls Seat 3: xx xx J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___brings-in___folds Hero: 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___raises Seat 5: xx xx 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___folds Seat 6: xx xx J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___folds Seat 7: xx xx 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___folds Seat 8: xx xx 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___folds 4th Street - (3.30 SB) Seat 2: xx xx A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___bets Hero: 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]... I'm sure this is automatic one way or the other but I want to see 5th. Mistake? 
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#2
05-06-2007, 06:45 PM
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Re: Easy Razz fold?
Easy fold. If the Ace had raised behind you, then the pot would be big enough that you would have to take a card off. The pot is small, and while your hand was very pretty on third, your situation on fourth is pretty bad. It happens. Fold and move on.
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#5
05-06-2007, 08:55 PM
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Re: Easy Razz fold?
Auto-muck.
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#6
05-07-2007, 03:06 PM
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Re: Easy Razz fold?
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Easy fold. If the Ace had raised behind you, then the pot would be big enough that you would have to take a card off. The pot is small, and while your hand was very pretty on third, your situation on fourth is pretty bad. It happens. Fold and move on. [/ QUOTE ] This is standard advice, but can you relate it more generally to pot size? For example, if the ace had raised on third, the pot on fourth would be 5.3 small bets. Are immediate odds of about 5:1 the absolute minimum for a fourth-street call when Villain catches good and Hero catches awful?
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#7
05-07-2007, 03:33 PM
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Re: Easy Razz fold?
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[ QUOTE ] Easy fold. If the Ace had raised behind you, then the pot would be big enough that you would have to take a card off. The pot is small, and while your hand was very pretty on third, your situation on fourth is pretty bad. It happens. Fold and move on. [/ QUOTE ] This is standard advice, but can you relate it more generally to pot size? For example, if the ace had raised on third, the pot on fourth would be 5.3 small bets. Are immediate odds of about 5:1 the absolute minimum for a fourth-street call when Villain catches good and Hero catches awful? [/ QUOTE ] The standard advice from Sklansky is usually call in a reraised pot and usually fold in a single raised pot, but it depends on how low and live your cards are and whether the action and other evidence indicates you opponent may have started with a marginal hand or may have paired.
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#8
05-07-2007, 04:10 PM
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Re: Easy Razz fold?
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The standard advice from Sklansky is usually call in a reraised pot and usually fold in a single raised pot, but it depends on how low and live your cards are and whether the action and other evidence indicates you opponent may have started with a marginal hand or may have paired. [/ QUOTE ] You give a good summary of standard play, but I am curious what assumption of minimum pot size underlies this advice. It seems 4 small bets would not be enough to continue on fourth, but around 5 small bets could be. I imagine that a deviation from standard play could be correct in high-ante games or in unusual cases such as when the bring-in came along.
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#9
05-07-2007, 12:13 AM
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Re: Easy Razz fold?
I wouldn't always fold when I brick and the other guy caught good. Here, the pot is singly raised and your cards are dead.
Also, you raised in first position and villain called. That indicates he probably has a decent hand. If he open raised in late position or limp/called, he might be weaker and you could call 4th street.
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#10
05-07-2007, 11:24 AM
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Re: Easy Razz fold?
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I wouldn't always fold when I brick and the other guy caught good. Here, the pot is singly raised and your cards are dead. Also, you raised in first position and villain called. That indicates he probably has a decent hand. If he open raised in late position or limp/called, he might be weaker and you could call 4th street. [/ QUOTE ] Very good points.
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