50/100 hand against mahatma at UB

[Keres]

UB 50/100 NL Hold'em

Random Player A is at seat 0 with $4648.
Hero is at seat 3 with $12034.50.
Random Player B is at seat 5 with $13425.
Random Player C is at seat 6 with $9100.
Mahatma is at seat 7 with $17187.
The button is at seat 5.

Preflop: Hero is CO with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] A [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
UTG Folds, Hero raises to $350, Button folds, SB folds, BB (Mahatma) calls

Flop: ($750) 10[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
Mahatma checks. Hero bets $500. Mahatma calls.

Turn: ($1750) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
Mahatma bets $1700. Hero calls.

River: ($5150) A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
Mahatma goes all-in for $14587. Hero?

[Allinlife]

forgive me, but is this even worth discussing?

insta-call

[captZEEbo]

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forgive me, but is this even worth discussing?

insta-call

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What do you put him on that calls flop and turn and pushes river that makes this an insta-call...?

[Allinlife]

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forgive me, but is this even worth discussing?

insta-call

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What do you put him on that calls flop and turn and pushes river that makes this an insta-call...?

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I know this is gonna sound idiotic, but my reasoning is basically "I have top 2 against mahatma, who is very capable of doing this with very wide range of hands from bluff, worse 2 pair, and set" if he has a set, so be it but my hand is likely to be the favorite.

I guess a lot still depends on how hero/mahatma were getting along in previous hands though.

[shaniac]

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I know this is gonna sound idiotic, but my reasoning is basically "I have top 2 against mahatma, who is very capable of doing this with very wide range of hands from bluff, worse 2 pair, and set" if he has a set, so be it but my hand is likely to be the favorite.

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I don't think your reasoning sounds idiotic at all. I'm sure I'd call there, but that might be the result of my aversion to laying down big hands. I'm just curious why you didn't put QJ (the nuts) in his range. Would he not play QJ in this manner, too?

[DonButtons]

If this is from this week Id prob. fold, as this is usually the nuts, last week this meant big bluff LOL.

[Allinlife]

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I know this is gonna sound idiotic, but my reasoning is basically "I have top 2 against mahatma, who is very capable of doing this with very wide range of hands from bluff, worse 2 pair, and set" if he has a set, so be it but my hand is likely to be the favorite.

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I don't think your reasoning sounds idiotic at all. I'm sure I'd call there, but that might be the result of my aversion to laying down big hands. I'm just curious why you didn't put QJ (the nuts) in his range. Would he not play QJ in this manner, too?

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diddn't even see that because I'm a bad reader. he could very well play QJ in this manner, it's mahatma.. who knows damn it.

it must be cool being a "he could have anything guy". but sadly, I'm afraid to try out his style at fear of losing money. I wish there were a more text book approach to learning the style.

[sauce123]

This is kind of a different topic, but why is it that in the hand TWP posted and in that hand BA posted Mahatma turns weak made hands into bluffs on the river.

To me this says two things:
1. Mahatma knows hero has a hand better than his mid pair type hand, as his river overbets indicate he believes his hand has no showdown value.

2. If 1. is true, then Mahatma puts hero on a hand better than TPGK at least AND he thinks hero will fold it to his shove.

So I definitely don't play nearly this high, but it seems like a weird strategy. I realize the metagame is great, but is hero's hand range really sooo well defined that Mahatma can put hero on a hand EXACTLY between the strength of beating mid pair and yet not strong enough to call a shove enough of the time to make these plays consistently??

I'm not sure the response I'm looking for, but could some hsnl'ers take some time to explain this to me? It just seems counter-intuitive. (Note: obviously I also know he does this with very strong and nut type hands as well).

Thanks, Sauce.

[CamelZoo]

an aside: do you ever raise turn here?

[Allinlife]

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an aside: do you ever raise turn here?

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whenever you bet/raise, think if it'll get a call from worse hands or fold out better hands. if it does neither, then it's a bad bet/raise.