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Old 07-16-2007, 05:35 PM
tommo tommo is offline
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Default difficult river decision 3bet pot QQ

villain is a good thinking tag. He could definitely be 3 betting me light. We haven't been mixing it up too much.

he probably views me as a somewhat bluffy/spewy lag.

he hasn't 3 bet me too many times and he's shown up with a hand at all the showdowns I've seen him in.

He is iamsnow on pokerstars if that means anything.

Poker Stars - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $3/$6 Blinds - 5 Players - (LegoPoker HH Converter)

SB: $905.80
BB: $768.45
UTG: $609.00
porktom (CO): $1,158.80
BTN: $911.10

Preflop: porktom is dealt Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (5 Players)
UTG folds, <font color="red">porktom raises to $18.00</font>, 2 folds, <font color="red">BB raises to $60.00</font>, porktom calls $42.00

Flop: ($123) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">BB bets $90.00</font>, porktom calls $90.00

Turn: ($303) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
BB checks, porktom checks

River: ($303) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">BB bets $216.00</font>, porktom folds

Pot Size: $519.00 ($2 Rake)
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Old 07-16-2007, 05:38 PM
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Default Re: difficult river decision 3bet pot QQ

Well played. This is usually the line that KK/AA takes. With those hands they usually are attempting the check/shove to stack stubborn Jacks or QQ, like you have.

This whole 3 bet preflop, bet flop, check turn, confidently bet river needs a forum Theorem name because frankly this is never a bluff, in my experience.

It looks somewhat sketchy but AK would generally check flop or attempt to bet-bet-bet on a bluff trying to move you off a marginal hand.
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Old 07-16-2007, 05:52 PM
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Default Re: difficult river decision 3bet pot QQ

I'm definitely calling this river, if I were in his spot with AJ I'd definitely vbet the river. You really have to think that hes bluffing never to fold here.
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Old 07-16-2007, 05:55 PM
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Default Re: difficult river decision 3bet pot QQ

Now that I see its CO vs BB I think this is actually a lot closer. Call might be ok.
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Old 07-16-2007, 06:57 PM
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Default Re: difficult river decision 3bet pot QQ

id bet money says you didnt fold this, but i dont mind this line too much.

call or fold works for me.
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Old 07-17-2007, 01:09 PM
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Default Re: difficult river decision 3bet pot QQ

Don't mind the line on this board as long as you call the river, he can definitely be value betting worse and it will occasionally be a bluff.
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Old 07-17-2007, 01:14 PM
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Default Re: difficult river decision 3bet pot QQ

callllllllll because its you.
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Old 07-17-2007, 01:46 PM
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Default Re: difficult river decision 3bet pot QQ

call all day, hes valuebetting worse and bluffing easily often enough if hes a good thinking tag
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Old 07-17-2007, 02:17 PM
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Default Re: difficult river decision 3bet pot QQ

i think this is a call for sure against this oppn generally, your gonna be good somewhere around 75% of the time most likely.
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Old 07-17-2007, 02:22 PM
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Default Re: difficult river decision 3bet pot QQ

[ QUOTE ]

he probably views me as a somewhat bluffy/spewy lag.


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just put the money in somewhere
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