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Old 11-15-2007, 03:15 PM
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Default Re: Big call vs bigjoe2003, how bad is this really?

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Bhokie,

It's -EV against what range using what software?

http://www.holdemresources.net/hr/sn...alculator.html

That thing shows it as +EV against BJ's NE pushing range.

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I think OP was factoring in his future EV which seems just arbitrarily figured out by him so I have no clue where he's getting those exact numbers, but in this hand its near neutral in a vacuum, you're getting bigger edges later by folding.

I agree with suzzer as well, calling T9 doesnt do much because he knows you cant just start calling there everytime so it doesnt really change his range if you'll only deviate from your normal call range if you want to spite call. AK on the other hand if he knows you wont fold it that may slightly effect his range. I think calling with AQ or AJ sends more of a message than T9, because the AQ/AJ you could actually incorporate into your range while T9 is clearly not a regular occurance.

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Ok I'll admit I didn't do the math, it just looked bad to me, and at best close to neutral. All depends on BJs range obviously.

I don't really put a lot of stock in this for metagame purposes, all depends on how BJ reacts in the future, but IF OP wanted to make a metagame call - AK doesn't help much.

If you are only looking at it for this tournament.
Calls like this do more to hurt both big stacks, and help the smaller stacks. If he's in the sb and I know I'm not getting a chance to open push except UTG, I'll take a near neutral EV call. In this tournament OP has position to push more than BJ does, so I don't see a good reason to make a near neutral EV (or -EV) call.
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