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Old 10-21-2007, 03:38 AM
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Default Re: AP thread 87.1 - AP and UB ownership puzzle

DanDruff,

While I don't disagree with how you state AP should repay us some money, I am wondering how you would advise they address hypothetical situations.

Like say this hand, which occurred during the midst of myself and baronzeus and several others discussing graycat and his "god like abilities" and beginning to suspect something was awry:


STAGE #746347738: HOLDEM NORMAL $200/$400 - 2007-08-27 21:35:12 (ET)
Table: LOC NESS AVE (Real Money) Seat #5 is the dealer
Seat 5 - BERGENISGAY ($18582 in chips)
Seat 6 - TRUTHY ($10645 in chips)
Seat 7 - EZ2PLY ($7840 in chips)
Seat 8 - GEMMER ($9153 in chips)
Seat 9 - MAVERI9 ($3162.50 in chips)
Seat 1 - SCHDNFRD ($24712.50 in chips)
Seat 2 - PUNKIN_U ($11576.32 in chips)
Seat 3 - LEAVINGEGYPT ($11085 in chips)
Seat 4 - GRAYCAT ($19612 in chips)
TRUTHY - Posts small blind $100
EZ2PLY - Posts big blind $200
*** POCKET CARDS ***
Dealt to PUNKIN_U [Ad 3c]
GEMMER - Folds
MAVERI9 - Folds
SCHDNFRD - Folds
PUNKIN_U - Raises $400 to $400
LEAVINGEGYPT - Folds
GRAYCAT - Raises $600 to $600
BERGENISGAY - Folds
TRUTHY - Folds
EZ2PLY - Folds
PUNKIN_U - Raises $400 to $800
GRAYCAT - Calls $200
*** FLOP *** [8d 6d Jh]
PUNKIN_U - Bets $200
GRAYCAT - Raises $400 to $400
PUNKIN_U - Calls $200
*** TURN *** [8d 6d Jh] [2d]
PUNKIN_U - Checks
GRAYCAT - Checks
*** RIVER *** [8d 6d Jh 2d] [7s]
PUNKIN_U - Checks
GRAYCAT - Checks
*** SHOW DOWN ***
PUNKIN_U - Shows [Ad 3c] (ace high)
GRAYCAT - Mucks
PUNKIN_U Collects $2695 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total Pot($2700) | Rake ($5)
Board [8d 6d Jh 2d 7s]
Seat 1: SCHDNFRD Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 2: PUNKIN_U won Total ($2695) HI$2695) with ace high [Ad 3c - P:Ad,B:Jh,B:8d,B:7s,B:6d]
Seat 3: LEAVINGEGYPT Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 4: GRAYCAT HI: [Mucked] [Qh 9d]
Seat 5: BERGENISGAY (dealer) Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 6: TRUTHY (small blind) Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 7: EZ2PLY (big blind) Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 8: GEMMER Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 9: MAVERI9 Folded on the POCKET CARDS


On one hand, I won the pot, so, on that level, the hand itself is fine. On the other hand, you could say that, *had* an opponent decided to 3-bet me with Q9, then hypothetically most high stakes players would've lost more money post flop... So in a hand like this, should AP comp me another bet because most high stakes players would've either called a flop bet then called a turn bet OR they would've raised the flop and bet the turn (or bet the river if checking the turn and the river gets checked to them).


Again, I think there's a lot of merit to what you're suggesting. I also think however, there's a lot of room for interpretation to it and it might be too difficult to administer other than merely offering a flat premium on top of whatever money was won/lost (like say offering a 15% bonus... so if you lost $10,000, they would actually reimburse you $11,500, etc).