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Forum: MTT Strategy 02-09-2007, 06:31 PM
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Posted By Nate.
Re: Monotone flop deep in the 3R

Kem --

He folded to a push.


Registrar --

Thanks very much for all the input you've given in this thread. Just a couple things:

"get value against a pair with diamond" -- Remember, we...
Forum: MTT Strategy 02-09-2007, 06:34 AM
Replies: 52
Views: 224
Posted By Nate.
Re: Monotone flop deep in the 3R

***RESULTS***

He folded.

--Nate
Forum: MTT Strategy 02-08-2007, 08:01 AM
Replies: 52
Views: 224
Posted By Nate.
Re: Monotone flop deep in the 3R

Registrar --

I think this line is one of the better ones, but I'm not sure if it's the best. A disadvantage is that hands that would have folded will sometimes get there. An advantage is that...
Forum: MTT Strategy 02-08-2007, 03:17 AM
Replies: 52
Views: 224
Posted By Nate.
Re: Monotone flop deep in the 3R

Skier --

Of course we don't want to get money in bad. Of course this hand plays differently with 100 big blinds. Of course we don't want to be called, and of course we'll sometimes be in bad...
Forum: MTT Strategy 02-08-2007, 02:35 AM
Replies: 52
Views: 224
Posted By Nate.
Re: Monotone flop deep in the 3R

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Also, what about considering the negatives of being called by a better hand (say KQ) when you shove vs. getting it in against a flush draw.

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Skier --

Please read...
Forum: MTT Strategy 02-08-2007, 02:32 AM
Replies: 52
Views: 224
Posted By Nate.
Re: Monotone flop deep in the 3R

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Skier --

9/images/graemlins/diamond.gif9/images/graemlins/heart.gif has 11 outs against us. Factor in tournament risk-aversion and I think we prefer to fold it out than...
Forum: MTT Strategy 02-08-2007, 02:00 AM
Replies: 52
Views: 224
Posted By Nate.
Re: Monotone flop deep in the 3R

NYTyler --

"HOH" is Harrington on Hold'em, a series of books often adhered to slavishly.

--Nate
Forum: MTT Strategy 02-08-2007, 01:55 AM
Replies: 52
Views: 224
Posted By Nate.
Re: Monotone flop deep in the 3R

Skier --

9/images/graemlins/diamond.gif9/images/graemlins/heart.gif has 11 outs against us. Factor in tournament risk-aversion and I think we prefer to fold it out than commit a 2x-pot stack with...
Forum: MTT Strategy 02-08-2007, 01:22 AM
Replies: 52
Views: 224
Posted By Nate.
Re: Monotone flop deep in the 3R

"I mean, i think that bet/calling is a pretty bad option, but I think it is better than open shoving since we will get it in with semibluffs as well."

Skier --

So so so many of these semibluffs...
Forum: MTT Strategy 02-08-2007, 01:08 AM
Replies: 52
Views: 224
Posted By Nate.
Re: Monotone flop deep in the 3R

Skier --

I think the problem with that reasoning is that the hands we beat are so weak that he can't call anything with them. Our equity when we CRAI and are called is not much different than...
Forum: MTT Strategy 02-08-2007, 01:01 AM
Replies: 52
Views: 224
Posted By Nate.
Re: Monotone flop deep in the 3R

HamJam--

My read is that he's playing ABC modern tournament poker, combined with some probability of being somewhat less imaginative and more scared than your typical HOH disciple.

A...
Forum: MTT Strategy 02-08-2007, 12:51 AM
Replies: 52
Views: 224
Posted By Nate.
Re: Monotone flop deep in the 3R

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I might check/call or c/f here, but I think c/shoving and bet/calling are all better than simply shoving here.

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Skier--

Why?

--Nate
Forum: MTT Strategy 02-07-2007, 07:51 PM
Replies: 52
Views: 224
Posted By Nate.
Re: Monotone flop deep in the 3R

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I'd probably just c/f.

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Requin --

I think this is burning money, especially since he didn't reraise me preflop.

--Nate
Forum: MTT Strategy 02-07-2007, 07:42 PM
Replies: 52
Views: 224
Posted By Nate.
Re: Monotone flop deep in the 3R

Kramer --

I think some lone diamonds will fold to the push. And yes, if he decides I have the A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif he will often react badly.

Requin --

Yes, I think he will.
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Forum: MTT Strategy 02-07-2007, 07:35 PM
Replies: 52
Views: 224
Posted By Nate.
Re: Monotone flop deep in the 3R

Kramer --

One more thing. You said "I really feel icky..."

I felt icky too, but after I thought it through I was pretty sure the icky play was the best play. That's one reason I'm posting...
Forum: MTT Strategy 02-07-2007, 07:33 PM
Replies: 52
Views: 224
Posted By Nate.
Re: Monotone flop deep in the 3R

Kramer --

The problem with those lines is that they will commit all sorts of hands against us that we would prefer fold (this includes tons of hands with lone diamonds).

His range is strange...
Forum: MTT Strategy 02-07-2007, 07:10 PM
Replies: 52
Views: 224
Posted By Nate.
Re: Monotone flop deep in the 3R

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INteresting, can you explain why you would move in here Nate?

This is one of those gutsy shoves I dont quite understand, and hope someone can enlighten me.

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We have too...
Forum: MTT Strategy 02-07-2007, 07:40 AM
Replies: 52
Views: 224
Posted By Nate.
Re: Monotone flop deep in the 3R

All--

Thanks for the comments.

I'm about to go to bed, so I'll say this before I do so: I think moving in is the best play. A very good poker thinker independently concluded the same thing in...
Forum: MTT Strategy 02-07-2007, 07:09 AM
Replies: 52
Views: 224
Posted By Nate.
Re: Monotone flop deep in the 3R

Degenrat--

Maybe my read was poorly stated. I think he playing ABC tournament poker, not notably passively, and happens to want to lock up money. I prefer to think of this as some probabilistic...
Forum: MTT Strategy 02-07-2007, 05:47 AM
Replies: 52
Views: 224
Posted By Nate.
Monotone flop deep in the 3R

14 remaining in the $3 rebuy. Villain seems to be a basic HOH disciple, though seems eager to secure money. He's mentioned something about a deal already.

30K-60K/3K

I raise UTG (7-handed) to...
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