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13_Xerxes 09-14-2007 08:46 AM

[NL200] TP2K oop in RR pot vs good opp
 
Villain is 25/22/3 (356h), but today he is playing 35/32/1.5 (31h).

I have a very tight image, 1st time I reraise him.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $2 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

BB ($199.55)
UTG ($225.30)
MP ($212.55)
CO ($68.75)
Button ($212.90)
Hero ($198)

Preflop: Hero is SB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises to $8</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $27</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Button calls $19.

Flop: ($56) A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">Button bets $35</font>, Hero calls $35.

Turn: ($126) 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">Button bets $74</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $136</font>

How is my line ? Am I too passiv ?
Or must I just check-call turn &amp; river ?
I've take some time to call his flop bet, maybe he thinks I am on KK or QQ...

Craggoo 09-14-2007 09:53 AM

Re: [NL200] TP2K oop in RR pot vs good opp
 
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Villain is 25/22/3 (356h), but today he is playing 35/32/1.5 (31h).

I have a very tight image, 1st time I reraise him.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $2 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

BB ($199.55)
UTG ($225.30)
MP ($212.55)
CO ($68.75)
Button ($212.90)
Hero ($198)

Preflop: Hero is SB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises to $8</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $27</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Button calls $19.

Flop: ($56) A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">Button bets $35</font>, Hero calls $35.

Turn: ($126) 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">Button bets $74</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $136</font>

How is my line ? Am I too passiv ?
Or must I just check-call turn &amp; river ?
I've take some time to call his flop bet, maybe he thinks I am on KK or QQ...

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These numbers seem to indicate that
a) hes able to float in position with a lot of holdings
b) that he raises a lot in the button/co
c) that you are likely ahead of his range if a/b are the case
Unless the hh converter somehow messed up, that is a little bit off a min-raise (which btw is ALWAYS a bad bet).

sawseech 09-14-2007 10:01 AM

Re: [NL200] TP2K oop in RR pot vs good opp
 
betsize does not compute

Stonewalled 09-14-2007 10:30 AM

Re: [NL200] TP2K oop in RR pot vs good opp
 
Too passive on the flop. Why not continuation bet? I would virtually always in this spot on this board.

As played, I wouldn't c/r the turn -- frankly not sure if I would bet or c/c the river -- your hand might have more value as a bluff catcher.

I don't know, maybe it's fine, it just seems like a strange line to play a modest hand.

Craggoo 09-14-2007 10:49 AM

Re: [NL200] TP2K oop in RR pot vs good opp
 
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As played, I wouldn't c/r the turn -- frankly not sure if I would bet or c/c the river -- your hand might have more value as a bluff catcher.


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Since you played so passively, i would advocate this line much more just to find out what sort of hands hes betting/calling raises with for some information. You can never have too much information about your opponents betting tendencies.

RivFader 09-14-2007 12:12 PM

Re: [NL200] TP2K oop in RR pot vs good opp
 
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As played, I wouldn't c/r the turn -- frankly not sure if I would bet or c/c the river -- your hand might have more value as a bluff catcher.

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He won't the bluff river unless he's a real maniac because he's gonna have so little money to bet(pot something like 270, money behind 70)

C-bet flop, call a raise is the best line. If he just calls, c/r turn is good because he seems to be a floater. If you check the flop, c/r.
As played, definetely put it in on the turn.
You want to get it in if he's on a FD, when he still has hope to improve.

mertzo 09-14-2007 12:29 PM

Re: [NL200] TP2K oop in RR pot vs good opp
 
Rivfader is spot on here.

Valerio 09-14-2007 12:37 PM

Re: [NL200] TP2K oop in RR pot vs good opp
 
I agree strongly with betting the flop, but why would you call a raise? If you have a tight image, how can be value-betting a weaker hand or putting a move on you?

Stonewalled 09-14-2007 12:45 PM

Re: [NL200] TP2K oop in RR pot vs good opp
 
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As played, I wouldn't c/r the turn -- frankly not sure if I would bet or c/c the river -- your hand might have more value as a bluff catcher.

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He won't the bluff river unless he's a real maniac because he's gonna have so little money to bet(pot something like 270, money behind 70)

C-bet flop, call a raise is the best line. If he just calls, c/r turn is good because he seems to be a floater. If you check the flop, c/r.
As played, definetely put it in on the turn.
You want to get it in if he's on a FD, when he still has hope to improve.

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Yeah, I guess after Villain raises turn, he has only about $60-70 left to bet in light of Hero's effective stack, so you're right there's no point in just calling the turn, may as well (as played) raise the turn AI.

RivFader 09-14-2007 12:53 PM

Re: [NL200] TP2K oop in RR pot vs good opp
 
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I agree strongly with betting the flop, but why would you call a raise? If you have a tight image, how can be value-betting a weaker hand or putting a move on you?

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Folding AQ in re-raised pot when you get a dream flop would be horrible. 100 BBs you should put the money in everytime here. Villain is loose/agro to boot, he's pushing draws/worse made hands/making moves all the time. And really, he's not guaranteed to be thinking some wacky table image questions and it really doesn't matter here.


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