10/20: on which street do you fold this middle set?
 

Villain is a regular, standard TAG, I have not seen him do any big big moves, and we stay out of each other pretty much.First time I see him mini raise though.

I felt bad calling that turn,but I felt pretty bad folding it too....

what's your line?

Game #4136555033: Hold'em NL ($10/$20) - 2007/05/18 - 19:53:20 (DST)
Table "Prizepool" Seat 4 is the button.
Seat 1: Fantomla ($2077 in chips)
Seat 2: Haschis sits out
Seat 3: FnkyJunky ($4472.49 in chips)
Seat 4: IAmNutz ($6655 in chips)
Seat 5: _MARY_ ($806 in chips)
Seat 6: HERO ($7310 in chips)
_MARY_: posts small blind $10
HERO: posts big blind $20
----- HOLE CARDS -----
dealt to HERO [4h 4s]
Fantomla: raises to $40
FnkyJunky: folds
IAmNutz: calls $40
_MARY_: folds
HERO: calls $20
----- FLOP ----- [4c 3c Qh]
HERO: checks
Fantomla: bets $100
IAmNutz: folds
HERO: raises to $311
Fantomla: calls $211
----- TURN ----- [4c 3c Qh][Tc]
HERO: checks
Fantomla: bets $540
HERO: calls $540
----- RIVER ----- [4c 3c Qh Tc][5h]
HERO: checks
Fantomla: bets $999
HERO: folds
Returned uncalled bets $999 to Fantomla
Fantomla: doesn't show hand
Fantomla collected $1829 from Main pot

Re: 10/20: on which street do you fold this middle set?
 

none of them

Re: 10/20: on which street do you fold this middle set?
 

jopke?

Re: 10/20: on which street do you fold this middle set?
 

I think villain is value betting worse pretty often here.

Re: 10/20: on which street do you fold this middle set?
 

I really thought that he would slowdown with any overpaire here, I mean , he kept firing both turn and river on that flsuh coming?
couldn t put him on a hand worse than the flush.maybe a leak i dunno [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

Re: 10/20: on which street do you fold this middle set?
 

DeDefinitely fold the flop[img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

Re: 10/20: on which street do you fold this middle set?
 

the only hand he valuebets on turn and river that you can beat are set of threes maybe QT, flush is a much larger part of his range so the river fold is marginal, maybe correct. What is your plan if you fill up on the river, checkraise?

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Re: 10/20: on which street do you fold this middle set?
 

I called for two reasons:

1)I may fill up and go for either a value bet or a CR all in depnding on the player

2)lots of players bluff the turn in position when the flush comes , but fail to fire a second barrel on river when they get called.

But I hated to call.

Re: 10/20: on which street do you fold this middle set?
 

Ok clever check on the turn. Now go all-in after he bets..

Assuming villain is aggro I like a turn c/r (after a flop c/r) because it might get the villain to semi-bluff with a big club or get him to bet a weaker hand.

One fear I have with this though is if he checks behind with a small club and then river is a club and you lose lol. But betting turn seems exploitable and allows villain to play well, as well as c/c.

Edit: Now that I think about it, assuming multi-barrel stone-cold bluffs are part of your game, bet/call push on the turn is prolly the best play.