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bsball8806 10-21-2007 08:15 PM

nut straight with three flush board vs extreme LAG
 
Villain is 79/11 after ~50 hands.

Ultimate Bet No-Limit Hold'em, $.10 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

CO ($10.21)
Button ($19.65)
SB ($2.10)
BB ($9.59)
UTG ($.27)
Hero ($24.01)

Preflop: Hero is MP with Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif, Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif.
1 fold</font>, Hero raises to $0.4</font>, 1 fold</font>, Button calls $0.40, 2 folds</font>.

Flop: ($0.95) 9http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif, Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif, 3http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif [(2 players)</font>
Hero bets $0.7</font>, Button calls $0.70.

Turn: ($2.35) 2http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif (2 players)</font>
Hero bets $2</font>, Button calls $2.

River: ($6.35) Thttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif (2 players)</font>
Hero bets $5</font>, Button raises $16.55</font>.

Hero....

Micro Donk 10-21-2007 08:20 PM

Re: nut straight with three flush board vs extreme LAG
 
calls

you cant reasonably put him on a spade flush, which is the only thing that beats you

SoCalQuest 10-21-2007 08:23 PM

Re: nut straight with three flush board vs extreme LAG
 
I'd call. He's not a super lag. He is loose, and rarely aggressive. I'd say he's loose and passive. You beat a lot of hands that would raise on the river (smaller straights, two pair, sets) so I'd call pretty quickly.

bsball8806 10-21-2007 08:24 PM

Re: nut straight with three flush board vs extreme LAG
 
yeah, youre right LP is more correct

ICMoney 10-21-2007 10:50 PM

Re: nut straight with three flush board vs extreme LAG
 
Seems like a call to me.

I don't see how he could guess you hit a gutter.

I don't see how he hit a BDFD.

You only need to be good about 1/3 of the time.

He can have TP, sets, two pair, worse straight, flush, etc.

willyc 10-22-2007 03:36 AM

Re: nut straight with three flush board vs extreme LAG
 
Call but he will show down a flush here a lot more than other people are suggesting.

Edit: Sometimes I even fold here with a good read. Once I've been on a table a while against a 80/0 monkey and seen him show down a backdoor flush at least two or three times after making the big river raise and after calling with no pair and no draw on the flop etc. I'm not paying him off.

I can't really remember calling a big river raise against a lagtard when the backdoor flush comes in and not seeing a flush, and I can remember a million times when the other guy has shown down a flush. These guys really don't make this move with anything but a flush on this board.

Don't start thinking "there's no way he could put me on a straight" etc. This guy is clearly a level 0 thinker. Every time I start overthinking here I call and realize he was just like, "omg I made a flush, raise!!!111"

Nemesis69 10-22-2007 03:44 AM

Re: nut straight with three flush board vs extreme LAG
 
I don't think he shows a flush 10% of the time here. Why aren't we value shoving? It looks like villian slowplayed a set/two pair.

Micro Donk 10-22-2007 03:48 AM

Re: nut straight with three flush board vs extreme LAG
 
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I don't think he shows a flush 10% of the time here. Why aren't we value shoving? It looks like villian slowplayed a set/two pair.

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check stacks, button did shove

kroeliewoelie 10-22-2007 07:25 AM

Re: nut straight with three flush board vs extreme LAG
 
What are his postflop numbers?

Why did you 2nd barrel here?

Nemesis69 10-22-2007 09:53 AM

Re: nut straight with three flush board vs extreme LAG
 
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I don't think he shows a flush 10% of the time here. Why aren't we value shoving? It looks like villian slowplayed a set/two pair.

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check stacks, button did shove

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My bad. I'm calling his AI all day.


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