AQ questionable raise
 

Situation: I knew Villain coldcalled ATo.

I know SSHE says fold here, but it was a tight table, so I figured that, if I could get him HU, I could probably get him to overplay his hand.

Would you have played it like this, or did I not only muck up the PF raise, but also the rest of the hand? What say ye, oh wise guys?

Full Tilt Poker
Limit Holdem Ring game
Limit: $0.25/$0.5
8 players
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Pre-flop: (8 players) Hero is UTG+1 with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
<font color="#cc0000">UTG raises</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Hero 3-bets</font>, 6 folds, UTG calls.

Flop: Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (7.4SB, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">UTG bets</font>, Hero calls.

Turn: 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (4.7BB, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">UTG bets</font>, Hero calls.

River: 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (6.7BB, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">UTG bets</font>, Hero calls.

Results:
Final pot: 8.7BB

Re: AQ questionable raise
 

What position was he in with the AT? How tight is the table? I'm raising this flop and re-evaluating.

Re: AQ questionable raise
 

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Situation: I knew Villain coldcalled ATo.

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What do you mean? If you knew he had ATo here your raise would be correct.

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I know SSHE says fold here, but it was a tight table, so I figured that, if I could get him HU, I could probably get him to overplay his hand.

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This obviously depends on what he is raising with, most players have a tight range UTG although this is already relaxing towards UTG+3 (we're 8-handed here). What stats did you have on this guy and what do you consider a reasonable range for him.

(note: I'm generally folding this to a UTG raise unless I'm seeing a cheap flop).

edit: to say I'm raising this flop with all those flush &amp; straight draws.

Re: AQ questionable raise
 

If this guy is a total donkey I'd raise this everytime. If he's more unknown, especially with his open-raising standards, it's much easier to find a fold.

As played, I definitely raise the flop. Seeing it wasn't capped pf AA/KK are less likely (not to mention you've got an ace).

So hands like AK, TT, and KQ are in the running for what we're ahead of. That leaves AQ (tied with), QQ, JJ, 99, and maybe (though less likely) some form of two-pair or pair + OESD.

I think I'm showing this down most of the time when this flop hits.

Re: AQ questionable raise
 

*grunch*

raise the flop - call a 3 bet reevaluate on turn...

Re: AQ questionable raise
 

I actually like how this hand was played...

You can decrease the chances of AA/KK with his PF line and probably QQ as well.

If he had QQ/JJ/99, he would most likely check-raise either the flop or the turn.

So he most likely has AQ/AJ/KQ.

AQ - 6 combos
AJ - 9 combos
KQ - 9 combos

So we beat 18 and chop w/ 6... but if we raise, we give him the chance to fold AJ/KQ on the turn

Re: AQ questionable raise
 

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What position was he in with the AT? How tight is the table?

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It was tight enough to know 99 % certain that I would be HU with him if I raised, even from my EP.

Re the ATo: reviewing the hand in PT, it turns out I was wrong [img]/images/graemlins/blush.gif[/img] He was on the button, with one limper in front of him, and HE raised the ATo. Hmmm.

Re: AQ questionable raise
 

I think we need to raise the flop!

Re: AQ questionable raise
 

Raise the flop (or whammy that blank on the turn if you're ultra-confident that you're ahead).

Re: AQ questionable raise
 

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I actually like how this hand was played...

You can decrease the chances of AA/KK with his PF line and probably QQ as well.

If he had QQ/JJ/99, he would most likely check-raise either the flop or the turn.

So he most likely has AQ/AJ/KQ.

AQ - 6 combos
AJ - 9 combos
KQ - 9 combos

So we beat 18 and chop w/ 6... but if we raise, we give him the chance to fold AJ/KQ on the turn

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Bravos, the hand played out well for us here but do you think that 3-betting this EP raise is profitable? Granted you can probably narrow his range when he doesn't cap. However, when you throw in the times that he does?

Re: AQ questionable raise
 

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Situation: I knew Villain coldcalled ATo.

I know SSHE says fold here, but it was a tight table, so I figured that, if I could get him HU, I could probably get him to overplay his hand.

Would you have played it like this, or did I not only muck up the PF raise, but also the rest of the hand? What say ye, oh wise guys?

Full Tilt Poker
Limit Holdem Ring game
Limit: $0.25/$0.5
8 players
Converter

Pre-flop: (8 players) Hero is UTG+1 with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
<font color="#cc0000">UTG raises</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Hero 3-bets</font>, 6 folds, UTG calls.

Flop: Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (7.4SB, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">UTG bets</font>, Hero calls.

Turn: 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (4.7BB, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">UTG bets</font>, Hero calls.

River: 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (6.7BB, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">UTG bets</font>, Hero calls.

Results:
Final pot: 8.7BB

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I think you need a real good read on villain before 3-betting him with AQo when he raises in ep. If you knew he had ATo, then you have to reraise pf, as well as reraise the flop and charge him the max to draw to his OESD.

By the looks of it, it doesn't seem villain had ATo...

Re: AQ questionable raise
 

Raise the flop and then look at the turn again. If he fires again maybe call it down.

Re: AQ questionable raise
 

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So we beat 18 and chop w/ 6... but if we raise, we give him the chance to fold AJ/KQ on the turn

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He will never fold KQ (or if he does, he's not betting each street with it anyway) and will get drawing odds on the turn with AJ.

Re: AQ questionable raise
 

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Bravos, the hand played out well for us here but do you think that 3-betting this EP raise is profitable? Granted you can probably narrow his range when he doesn't cap. However, when you throw in the times that he does?

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This is a good question.... I think the 3bet is fine. We know the table is tight and a 3bet shows A LOT of strength. We also know this guy plays fairly poor since he cold-called w/ AT earlier. We have to assume that we can out-play him post-flop, but need to aware of how the hand plays out.

Neku did not specify how aggro/passive this guy is. If he caps, we need to play poker. Since he doesn't cap, we definitely have to like our hand on the flop, but raising IMO is not the best play.

I see this line all the time, especially playing live... eg someone raises/3bets PF and another player donks his flopped TP to try and take it down quickly, or "see where he is at" LOL. Again, I see no reason to let KQ or AJ off the hook here by raising him off of his hand.

[sarcasm...sort-of]if this was the high-stakes forum, you would see several people advocating a raise/fold on the river[/sarcasm...sort-of]

Re: AQ questionable raise
 

Time for closure?

Villain had QQ, and beat my two pair with a FH.

Re: AQ questionable raise
 

I call the donk-bet on teh flop, then I raise that turn OH YEA! I like money.