27s: villain shoving any 2?
 

If villain is on 100% here, calling is +1.3%EV. If he is pushing top 50%, it's -1.4% Break even point is top 71%. What is your sense of the average 27ers push range here? He is not a known 2p2er or multitabler.

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Button (t1765)
SB (t1630)
Hero (t2180)
UTG (t3885)
MP (t4040)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB raises to t1630</font>,

Re: 27s: villain shoving any 2?
 

I would normally be folding this because it is 5 handed so you have a little more time to make raises of your own.. I could be wrong though.

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well that is all true but if random villains are always pushing 100% here than we should call because it is +1.3%, even though we will have more time to make our own moves. this is a discussion about hand ranges.

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Can't put a finger on an average player. You gotta have some reads on him at this point.

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Can't put a finger on an average player. You gotta have some reads on him at this point.

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sorry i fail

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I guess in that case I would give him a much tighter range than 100%, more like 40-60%.

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I look at this from a slightly different stand point. Yes, this is a +EV if he is pushing any 2...BUT...is this the MOST + EV you are going to see? (i.e. after the next hand when you put in the SB, which by the way you may like in and of itself, you will get 3 hands "for free") The odds that you are going to see a better hand on the next 4 needs to be considered here, IMHO. I am folding this one, even IF he is pushing any 2. I hate calling off ~3/4 of my chips in this situation. It may be weak, but I would rather be the raiser with this hand than the caller.

Fammy

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sigh sigh sigh sigh.... where is sippin criss to tell me what to do when i need him...probably shooting a 68 on augusta national and then [censored] a supermodel..... damn DERBs

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I guess in that case I would give him a much tighter range than 100%, more like 40-60%.

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thank you

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I fold and then push some of the next hands. A non-regular will often not shove any two. I would say 50-60% or something. Q2o is too weak here.

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without a read i dont think you can call here.

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well that is all true but if random villains are always pushing 100% here than we should call because it is +1.3%, even though we will have more time to make our own moves. this is a discussion about hand ranges.

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Yeah I know, I was just trying to make the point that even if I know he is shoving ATC I might not make the call knowing it is +EV because I can find better situations to get my money in.

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k ty AMT... i folded

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well that is all true but if random villains are always pushing 100% here than we should call because it is +1.3%, even though we will have more time to make our own moves. this is a discussion about hand ranges.

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Yeah I know, I was just trying to make the point that even if I know he is shoving ATC I might not make the call knowing it is +EV because I can find better situations to get my money in.

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if youre sure he is shoving ATC folding is bad given how profitable getting it in is. of course, you wont know this without a read...

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well that is all true but if random villains are always pushing 100% here than we should call because it is +1.3%, even though we will have more time to make our own moves. this is a discussion about hand ranges.

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Yeah I know, I was just trying to make the point that even if I know he is shoving ATC I might not make the call knowing it is +EV because I can find better situations to get my money in.

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if youre sure he is shoving ATC folding is bad given how profitable getting it in is. of course, you wont know this without a read...

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ya there's only like 3-4 guys at the 27s that I would do this against now. Not saying there aren't more ppl who shove ATC here, but just that I know of.

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Well yeah I was exaggerating it a bit, but with a reasonable read that villain is on a fairly wide range it isn't necessarily always good to call when slightly +EV if you can likely find better spots to take advantage of.

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id call against most of this forum but not here

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I don't think most players push with ATC here. Unless you have a read otherwise I would put him on the top 60% or so, and I would fold. BTW is it correct for villian to push 100% of hands from SB here?

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I don't think most players push with ATC here. Unless you have a read otherwise I would put him on the top 60% or so, and I would fold. BTW is it correct for villian to push 100% of hands from SB here?

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of course not but it may be +EV