Re: 27s: villain shoving any 2?
 

without a read i dont think you can call here.

Re: 27s: villain shoving any 2?
 

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well that is all true but if random villains are always pushing 100% here than we should call because it is +1.3%, even though we will have more time to make our own moves. this is a discussion about hand ranges.

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Yeah I know, I was just trying to make the point that even if I know he is shoving ATC I might not make the call knowing it is +EV because I can find better situations to get my money in.

Re: 27s: villain shoving any 2?
 

k ty AMT... i folded

Re: 27s: villain shoving any 2?
 

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well that is all true but if random villains are always pushing 100% here than we should call because it is +1.3%, even though we will have more time to make our own moves. this is a discussion about hand ranges.

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Yeah I know, I was just trying to make the point that even if I know he is shoving ATC I might not make the call knowing it is +EV because I can find better situations to get my money in.

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if youre sure he is shoving ATC folding is bad given how profitable getting it in is. of course, you wont know this without a read...

Re: 27s: villain shoving any 2?
 

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well that is all true but if random villains are always pushing 100% here than we should call because it is +1.3%, even though we will have more time to make our own moves. this is a discussion about hand ranges.

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Yeah I know, I was just trying to make the point that even if I know he is shoving ATC I might not make the call knowing it is +EV because I can find better situations to get my money in.

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if youre sure he is shoving ATC folding is bad given how profitable getting it in is. of course, you wont know this without a read...

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ya there's only like 3-4 guys at the 27s that I would do this against now. Not saying there aren't more ppl who shove ATC here, but just that I know of.

Re: 27s: villain shoving any 2?
 

Well yeah I was exaggerating it a bit, but with a reasonable read that villain is on a fairly wide range it isn't necessarily always good to call when slightly +EV if you can likely find better spots to take advantage of.

Re: 27s: villain shoving any 2?
 

id call against most of this forum but not here

Re: 27s: villain shoving any 2?
 

I don't think most players push with ATC here. Unless you have a read otherwise I would put him on the top 60% or so, and I would fold. BTW is it correct for villian to push 100% of hands from SB here?

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I don't think most players push with ATC here. Unless you have a read otherwise I would put him on the top 60% or so, and I would fold. BTW is it correct for villian to push 100% of hands from SB here?

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of course not but it may be +EV